faulty link for the prototype: Fokker G.1 Hispano (Prototype), the prototype with a punch!
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Haha I was just a second to late xD
I fixed the link just now
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I’ll just repost what I said in the devblog:
Extremely disappointed about this. Benelux is an extremely poor choice for France and will be dull as hell. The additions will be boring C&P and will be attractive to no one. As said ad infinitum, the Swiss would have been the infinitely superior choice for France, due to their cool, unique vehicles, such as Shark FL20, which Germany does not need, as they have native versions of almost all Swiss vehicles. Benelux, or at least the Dutch should’ve gone to Germany, with the Swiss going to France!!
As a French main since the birth of the tree, which I preordered for all 4 French trees, getting the Benelux would be disastrous. The addition for France are gonna be so bland it’s just sad. There is so much more potential in the Swiss than with the Dutch. The very most important part, as i said is Shark FL20, cause w/o the Swiss France CAN NOT receive anything with FL20 as it was only mounted on two hulls: Mowag Shark and the Marder… on the Marder, it was known as Clovis which Germany will get someday regardless. They DO NOT need the Swiss to get the same exact weapon systems on thier own native platforms, while France does not have that luxury:
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Another example is the Shark Wildcat AA, which again, Germany already has a native version of in the Fuchs Wildcat:
Ofc, this doesn’t even go into the D.3800/1/2/3’s, which are souped up ultimate MS406s:
All of this to say. the Benelux, or at the bare minimum, the Dutch should not go to France, as others such as the Swiss would be infinitely more useful, interesting, and in the end fun than otherwise.
Please please please reconsider this guys!!!
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Just hope that planes like: Fokker T.V D.xxi D.xxiii T.ix and De Schelde S.21
German mains cry best think that happens to French main in a while
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I’m still under the impression that this is misguided. I’m all for the BeNeLux being added, but adding basically part of the German Military (the Dutch Armed Forces) to France just seems like a kick in the teeth. Germany would’ve been helped by the addition of the Dutch F-16s, to say nothing about the future Leopard 2s (in progress) for France, which don’t really fit there at all.
Belgium can stay in France, I think that’s a good fit. The addition of more Mirages to France, along with the general WW2 aspect, is welcome. I’m not so sure about the F-16s, but whatever. Along with a lot of vehicles that would fit well into what is already established for France, Belgium seems perfect there.
But the Netherlands in France just seems like a misguided attempt at parity. It sounds like a good idea on paper, but I feel like in practice it would just lead to the French tree being filled with copy and paste vehicles that don’t really fit there at all. And in my opinion, at the very least, the Dutch would fit way better into the German tree as it stands today.
Not only do they bolster the powerful ground lineup, but they provide a solution to the top tier air problem in the form of the various F-16s the Dutch used throughout the Cold War and into the Modern Era.
But as a whole, I can kinda see it. It would suck to split the BeNeLux up, but maybe that’s just the price that should be paid.
Then they would have to split up The Netherlands… No-one wants Fokkers in Germany (unless they are captured ones).
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I guess, but it still just feels weird. I’m mostly thinking about it from the top tier perspective, since at this point that’s what the game feels geared towards, but I see your point.
It sounds stupid but what I’d really want to see is like the Fokkers in France at the beginning and then the Dutch tree stops there and picks up again in Germany past like 8.0 or so. But you can’t have everything I guess.
The confirmed unique vehicles:
F-16A, F-16AM, Firefly MkIV, Fokker G1, Gladiator Mk1, Spitfire FR MkXIV, and Mirage 5BA.
7 unique aircraft.
3 are copy-paste.
This is an excellent addition to the game, and I cannot wait to play Bene aircraft in my French tree.
Especially since Germany has 4+ nations of their own in their tech tree.
I’m glad there’s no separate tech tree with more copy-paste than China.
@RAYhill
Swiss are already in Germany.
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I keep seeing German mains hammer this point down, but the Dutch Airforce and Navy aren’t integrated into the Bundeswehr and to act like the integration instantly means The Netherlands should be added to Germany is bizarre. And ignores the history between the two countries.
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The way I see it right now is that modern Netherlands would fit seamlessly into Germany, as their militaries are intertwined so tightly. The Dutch military is, iirc, just part of the Bundeswehr in very specific divisions. Which is why I dislike their addition to France as a whole unit.
But WW2 Netherlands, on the other hand, would not. They would not fit into Germany for obvious reasons, and so I see the reason to include them in France. WW2 BeNeLux is perfect for France, just as modern Netherlands would be perfect for Germany. The ideal way (imo) to implement the Netherlands would be to start in France, stopping about 5.0 (or wherever indigenous stuff runs out), and then continue in Germany, representing the alliances of whatever period it happens to be at. But you can’t have two lines of the same country in two different trees without pulling weird shenanigans, which Gaijin isn’t going to do.
And that disappoints me. Because the addition of the BeNe(Lux) seems like such a good idea, but it feels as if it was implemented without thought. It feels like a disservice to modern France to have the tree basically taken over by the Leopards, and it also feels like a disservice to modern Germany to miss out on what is basically part of their own military.
The Belgians are fine tho.
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Only the three armoured divisions are integrated into their respective German units. Nuclear/Biochemical/Disaster response are a Belgium/Netherlands cooperation.
The Dutch Navy is under the BeNeSam (=Belgium & Netherlands Samenwerking/cooperation) admirality. (same uniforms, same ships for some parts and same training as well for some ships).
The Dutch Air Force shares the BeNeLux airspace, as both Belgium and The Netherlands share the Defence.
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Oh, then I misunderstood how it worked.
Still, I think it would just fit better in Germany based on existing equipment and filling gaps. That’s just me though, and personally I think an independent BeNeLux tree from the start would’ve been the better play.
Yeah, and now we have to live with the mid decision they picked for us. It kinda sucks tbh.
you’re not entirely wrong, all three brigades of the dutch army (13th light, 43rd mechanized and 11th airmobile) have been integrated into 10th panzer, 1st panzer and division schnelle krafte, respectively
this sort of integration is all part of the broader NATO picture, as it allows for the dutch to be part of larger level operations from the get go, instead of being organized into ad hoc formations when the need arises
it does not mean they (and the Landmacht as a whole) are now an inherent part of the Bundeswehr, as some people seem to believe
personally fine with the BeNe(lol) going to France, adds a little variety to the tree (even if that comes at the cost its rather unique character)
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Yeah, I guess. I just don’t like how they’re making every tree have everything, with this just being the latest example. They keep making all the trees homogeneous, and I want to at least try and stop them from doing that. It seems lazy, and like you said, deprives some nations of their character.
Just like turkey is in the USA
I’m starting to dislike that too, it even gets confusing. F-16s everywhere, Leopards everywhere… SB becomes hell.
SB is a whole other beast that I wish was divided on a per vehicle basis instead of per country. I hate fighting a MiG-29 and then halfway through the fight I get close enough to him to realize “hey, that’s a friendly.”
Maybe I’ll make a suggestion about that.
Regardless, making every tree feel the same is just the norm nowadays, and I hate it. I want to do what I can against it, but it seems they are just adding stuff with no care for how that will affect the gameplay or balancing.
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