Discussion on the Current State of Israel in the Game

the thing is even with the merkavas getting there irl armor, they still wont be better than the leopards and t-80s, the would be around russian area of perfromance

Grom 2s are GPS guided, thus wouldn’t be used in ground battles.
On top of that, the range increase over Grom 1s is ~10km.

Misleading. What makes the KH38 good is the speed, it has a higher top speed and can maintain it’s high speed for much longer than the Mavericks. Mavericks cannot be used at long ranges because it takes a significant longer time to reach it’s target compared to the KH38. Hence why you see the KH38 being used 10-15km away much more than the mavericks.

The only time I’ve seen players praise its speed are those that don’t use it on the forum.
While I may not have used it on live, I have used in on dev server in custom matches.
And speed was never a consideration cause either the tank will die to someone else or not, and that’s the same with PGM-500/3 and AGM-65.
On top of that Pantsir’s missile has a maximum height that I haven’t discovered yet, but that maximum height allows the same things as everything else: Gravity assist.

Incorrect. The time it takes to hit a target matters.This is a universal amongst all weapons. This is a fact.

KH29TE: 22 seconds (launch at 500m going 650 km/h) at a 8km target
AGM-65D: 32 seconds (launched at 500m going 700 km/h) at a 8km target

AGM-65D: 1min 10 sec (launched at 6000m going 850 km/h) at a 8km target
KH29TE: 47 seconds (launched at 6000m going 800 km/h) at a 8km target

KH38 has generally a better performance than the KH29TE so we can infer that the the time it take to hit a target would be noticeably less.

To bring the topic back to Israel, now that I’ve either completed, or just about to complete all 3 TT’s, my take on the general state :

Air :

I generally think the majority of the tree is in an okay place. There’s some hidden gems like the Flz. Raketes on the Spitfires. The Ayit, and some not so hidden gems like Ra’am, which is arguably king of the skies right now.

But the tree has a chronic and desperate lack of domestic munitions at the higher end. Things which could use Python / Derby don’t get them - and to my mind there’s not a single domestic A2G munition. The only one is, hilariously, is in the Italian tree (Lizard).

I don’t think we need anymore top tier aircraft for a while, we need just need domestic munitions modeled for what we already have. I don’t want to see the Sufa come to the game limited to the same American copy paste as Ra’am / Barak.

Heli :

I grinded through the bulk of the tree with Peten, as it’s largely just US exports, but I found Lahatut very fun, if not very effective.

I found Saraph to be very dissapointing (as with other Apache’s). Hellfire-K’s just don’t cut it anymore, F&F has become a necessity. I really hope this thing can be given Spikes one day. It’s odd to me that Gaijin said they were considering this in like, October 2023, and then added AH-60?

I’m not sure why we needed a new thing, and I’m even less sure now that it’s clearly deemed acceptable to have x16 spikes why Saraph can’t get them? Maybe they just didn’t want to annoy all the other Apache operators? Idk.

Ground :

Good lord, where to even start :

  • Chronic lack of auxiliary’s the entire depth of the tree. Poor AA / TD / Light / IFV options spread few and far between. Makes it impossible to build healthy, well rounded lineups at the vast majority of BR’s.

  • Every domestic vehicle being absolutely giga-botched in its capabilities, but most specifically protection. Merkava, Namer and Sholef are a joke in this game.

  • Probably the weakest top tier lineup in the game ? Machbet / Chaparral are hopeless, Namer is just a mess. Merkavas are not as bad as they used to be since the reload buff and those two shells behind engine being removed, but they’re just so big and lol-pennable, that they suffer in 2A7/122/BVM pixel weak spot meta. HVSD/ADAMS / Spyder needed desperately, followed by the likes of Eitan, Pereh etc.

  • No update addresses or helps any of the above points. Every addition is like… ‘Here’s a 3rd/4th/5th MBT at its BR range’, and that’s great in a vacuum, if there wasn’t such desperate and pressing need for other things. Tree’s issues have felt stagnant since its initial introduction.

My next goal is to go through and spade everything I glossed over, and to max out all my crew slots, but yeah, overall, I think this tree needs more TLC than any other.

I expect that with it being the newest, and having a decade to catch up on the others, but the priority order the snail is going about helping it is completely backwards. They add depth in abundance in where we need it least, and completely ignore the areas we need it most. Really hope priorities are improved in 2025 and beyond. Based on leak list, seems Namer IFV is coming December, so hopefully that’s the first step in the right direction.

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