Can anyone understand the snails unbelievable idea that the F-35 should be 10.7, its pretty funny that its one of the worst CAS vehicles that sit there and could’ve been a solid 10.0 CAS or 9.7 but 10.7 is hilarious
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So… about this alleged Finnish T-28 rearmed with an F-22 76mm gun
I assume that many first learned of this vehicle (as did I) via PikPikker’s old Finnish tree, which in turn sources it from a rather vague and uninformative LiveJournal post.
Interestingly however, a different post from LiveJournal suggests that this is the tank designated in Finnish service as R-152, recognizable as the only Soviet T-28E to actually have been captured by them.
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As did happen with all captured T-28s, this vehicle was later upgraded to the Finnish T-28E standard
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After this photo, the author then displays the F-22 modification, simply mentioning that “After the war, the tank continued to serve in the army, and was later decommissioned.” Following this are a series of photos showing the tank today, as it stands in storage at Parola.
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Further still, there is another T-28 that appears to have an odd mantlet similar to that of the F-22 modification
T-28 soviet tank. One of my favorites
Looking more into it, I found that this tank shares many characteristics to the one on display today in Mikkeli, which appears to be fitted with a dummy gun of sorts, something that would make sense if its armament had been removed at some point.
The Mikkeli T-28 is designated R-101, and in 2000 it was seen in a paint job very similar to that of the tank above, which could be an attempt to replicate a real camo scheme it was seen photographed with in the past.
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Ultimately I’m not sure what to think of this vehicle, but considering the various other Finnish projects to upgun their tanks and knowing that the Russians managed to fit a larger weapon of 85mm into the T-28 turret, it doesn’t seem all that far-fetched to imagine that the Finns may have experimented with ways to increase this tank’s service-life.
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It wouldn’t be the first time the fins mounted bigger guns into platforms when their current weapons proved ineffective.
As for Finnish vehicles id still love to find an image of the ISU-152 with the Lahti 20mm on the roof, to my knowledge they only suggested it but id love to see a document for its mount if it exists.
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The ISU-152V? Armedconflicts has a page for it where they mention that there were plans to replace the anti-tank rifle with a 20mm anti-aircraft weapon in the future.
Either way it’s close enough to being built so I’d support.
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I dont think so, specifically is was supposed to be mounted on the roof similar to a anti infantry gun like the ones with the 12.7mm, except with the Lahti.
Also the T34-75 would be cool, too bad theres no photos of it with the 75mm to my knowledge, just the barrel cowl since they had to modify it to hold the 75mm and after they replaced it with the 85mm so the only remnants of its existence is the modified cowl.
Don’t speak Finnish, but assuming the above drawing is legitimate, the line referencing the 20mm specifies it to be a machine gun (autocannon).
It would make more sense for anti-infantry duties than an AT rifle at least.
The lack of photos is a shame, but considering how easy it would be to add, it will be well-represented with its 3D model in War Thunder.
Depends on if gaijin plan on selling 1 unique finish vehicle a year or just selling copy and paste. They so far have gone the route of Hungarian props which is they have yet to add anything unique to finland for WW2
Unfortunately that has only gotten worse, not to defend the execution of the Finnish subtree but it is at least there in the flesh, the same of which cannot be said for Benelux or Thailand (and soon to be Switzerland).
I agree, after Hungary ground i thought theyd start taking it seriously but that wasn’t the case unfortunately
Well, considering how much of a downgrade Finland was from the subtree before it (South Africa), I can not say I had much hope for Hungary. The planes were a blatant case of laziness (they even say in the devblog that more are to come in the future), and ground was exceptionally meh. I am glad that we got stuff like the Csaba, Turan I and III, and Zrinyi II, but at the same time I think we can both agree there was still a lot of missed potential.
With Finland there is an equal amount, maybe even more missed potenial, but since it was the first step after South Africa, Gaijin at least had the decency to patch their holes with copy paste stuff.
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I doubt that is a F-22. Its an L/50 gun, with a relatively big undercarrage, it would be sticking out a good tat more.
I think there’s a good chance that the 20mm autocannon was probably an AA-variant of the Lahti AT-rifle.
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Ngl if Finns actually managed to upgun themselves some T-28, I’d appreciate such vehicle being in the game, preferably researchable. I wonder whether there is some finnish report stating at least the fact that this particular gun was used in modification (after that, it’s just the matter of logic to understand which gun was installed on which tank)
There could be, reading through some journals or reports from the different battles talk about a bunch of ways they uparmored vehicles. Primarily through their hatred of the BT’s by cutting them up and using their bodies as add on armor or makeshift components for things. One journal mentions a BT that had part of the chassis cut to make a step to help get into a T-28. Realistically the Fins tried a lot of things they hoped would help them win the war and a lot of things simply just didn’t get recorded very well and have been lost to time.
I know you do a lot of the german Reports and ive been pretty curious but would you happen to know why the Germans only modified some of the T34-76’s?
I know 3 modified and 3 unmodified were sold to Finland via a trade with a captain, only 3 of the 6 arriving to Finland as Germany needed the tanks more iirc, its just weird to see the more German esq version not in game versus the more standard T34.
(Shame Finland doesn’t have it, would be great to have a 4.x lineup that isn’t just TD’s)
Side tangent, but it vexs me that Gaijin didn’t bother with the Finnish Camos and from me Pm’ing a mod they have no interest in modeling the correct camo for the Fins as they just use the Swedish winter camo.
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Speaking about some cupola changes and iirc some add on armor
I dont know about the add on armor, but the Cupolas are as far as i know pretty much mostly field workshop modifications when available.
Yeah, theres unfortunately not a lot of info on the deal between Germany and finland for the T34s in question unfortunately. Just thought it was odd that the models with the most German touch ups weren’t the model chosen as a premium. Though i guess gameplay wise people would be upset if Germany had theres changed to have the cupola or if Finland got the model with the cupola. I think its a rather neat modification considering it was just a blatantly better design to allow the commander to have a better view than the Soviet model.
Would be a nice vehicle to see hopefully given how lacking the Continuation War lineup is, still waiting on the Sturmi and Stug IV so i can have all my favorite stugs but guess modern stuff is far more popular…
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