lvakan 4501 seems unlikely since you’d have to unload it for shooting
Why would you remove swedish mi28 and AHS, they were real and tested
probably because both were just trial vehicles that never got bought
AHS makes more sense than the Mi-28 tho since they bothered giving it decal/paint job and flew it themselves unlike the Mi that simply had a swede in the co-pilot/gunner while a russian was flying the thing
But the H60 isn’t exactly a good replacement for either of them so i’d say it’s better to keep it like it currently is, not like we can receive new equipment or anything for these 2 vehicles eitherway
Because these vehicles are curse marks on a Swedish TT.
Policy of addition of vehicles back then and now are quite different, and that really makes quite a number of troubles. Swedes are usually brought up in topics like “X wants Y because Swedes already have Z”, whereas X = some nation (redfor or bluefor), Y = some trialed vehicle (that is often from opposite “for” team), and Z = trialed vehicles (Mi-28, AHS and T-80U).
As gaijoobles don’t remove them vehicles as there is no proper replacement for them (at least for helis, even though they can easily invent some Danish/Norwegian Leopard 2 to replace T-80U), people bring up Swedish TT as a shiny example of logical fallacy (e.g. “why Swedes can have vehicles that they never adopted even in a single unit, moreover from redfor country, and my X nation can’t have vehicle from Y nation because our pilot/driver/captain sat in it for a 0,00001 seconds during trials?”).
So yeah, back to topic: they should remove them, and some day they shall be replaced with an option that doesn’t go with “trialed” title.
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So all trialed but not adopted vehicles should be removed? Like half of soviet objects should be removed by your logic. and then sweden should lose its only attack helis and replaced by utility helis?
No thanks bc swedish heli tree aint best, and this would be it even worse
You’re forgetting a very important distinction, vehicles like the T-80 and Mi-28 are not Swedish domestically built vehicles, nor adopted previously in another variant. Just testing a foreign vehicle a bit is in my opinion a very weak leg to stand on for gaijin, and encourages lazy copy-pasting (most of it being soviet vehicles for some reason).
For the “Object” vehicles in the USSR tech tree, those were built by the USSR, and do belong there.
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Yes and no. Yes because gayjin shall not add more trialed vehicles by removing already existing ones (leaving no argument for those wanting some trialed vehicle in their TT). No because there should be a replacement for them vehicles removed from TT. As I explained above, T-80U can be easily removed and replaced by some Leo 2A4 with minor modifications (however, it will take a lot of gaijin’s willpower to remove something that was in the game for years now), and helis may also be replaced if Sweden/Finland/Denmark/Norway adopts some modern helicopter (in the future, so it doesn’t mean those helis should be removed right now but some time in the future for sure, when replacement arrives).
I believe you are a little lost between definitions of “trialed vehicle that was not adopted even in a single unit in ones military” (like T-80U and so on) and “prototype vehicle that was built and trialed in the nation of origin” (like all objects present). All objects are USSRs’ domestic options and are only present in the country of origin (Soviet TT). If Soviets built it and trialed it, they get it. Swedes neither produced, purchased nor adopted a single vehicle from the list. If they founded the creation, say, of Mi-28, then yes, it shall go to Sweden and should not be removed.
But, in our case (if X trialed Y even once, it gets it), if such logic is applied, get ready for the US (yes, the already big US) to have a far greater number of vehicles from every country present in the game as they trialed a lot of stuff, and I am not even taking into account captured stuff.
Overall, Soviets can have any object they produced, and Swedes can’t keep trialed vehicles “as is” for too long as the can of worms called “trialed yet not adopted vehicles” was pretty much opened only for Sweden and, I hope, not for everyone in the future.
Should they be removed entirely from game files, or just make em hiden?
I agree at the copy pasting aint good thing, but some thec trees just need it, late and mid tier italy tt is just sad, same whit swedish heli tree
Just like they did with R2Y2, Panther II and so on
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That would be a valid argument except for the fact that deployable SAM units are getting added which the Lvakan 4501 can get or the very least a similar mechanic.
Or Gaijin could just make it that you can use without unloading it.