I requested a change from T-346A to M-346FT because better T-346A and feature similar to M-346FA but none Grifo-346 fire control radar & MRAAM
Tornado ADV up to 12.0 after armed AIM-9L/i, add BVR MRAAM AIM-120B AMRAAM on AV-8B Plus and expand BR to 12.3
F-104S ASA-M located to early rank 8 and fill gap between F-104S ASA & Tornado ADV
I will do said changes for the first two but unfortunately i’ll not be adding the F-104S ASA-M due to that variant only weapons are AAM’s [AIM-9L’s, AIM-7’s and Aspides], it is impossible to properly balance vehicles with AAM’s as it’s only armament
Italy never equipped their Tornado ADVs with AMRAAM like Britain did with their Tornado F3s (I think). They were replaced by their leased F-16As which were a stopgap until Typhoon. Aim-9L/i though could still come for an upgrade for them though, but probably only 11.7
I think he mentioned it because it is still theoretically possible to mount them since all of Italy’s Tornado ADV’s were all from the Royal Air Force.
I’m guessing that the AIM-9L/i is a analogue to the AIM-9M or later AIM-9?
Aim-9M were not heavily exported, the UK was one of a few nations it was exported too.
Aim-9L/I is a German modification of the Aim-9L with an IRCCM seeker similar to that of the Aim-9M (some reports suggests it was actually a little better than Aim-9M) but the rest of the missile is the same as Aim-9L
So Aim-9L/I in game would probably be a C&P of the Aim-9M seeker but on the Aim-9L body (so smokey trail)
For the Tornado F3 as well, Aim-9L/I I think would be the more historically accurate option for their upgrade as Aim-9Ms had some major compatibility problems with the Tornado F3 due to the modified rails Britain used. Kept breaking the Aim-9Ms.
as for the AMRAAM, its possibe… though they havent followed that same logic with the other Tornados yet, for example PGMs for the British Tornado but not German and Italian versions and I think the Tornado Gr1 is getting BOL soon. So they may not follow that logic with the Tornado ADVs as well.
Edit: Just had another thought, Tornado F3s were upgraded to handle AMRAAM (especially later upgrades with Data-link which you would 100% want otherwise you are basically firing SARHs). I think Italy returned their ADVs and replaced them with F-16s instead of getting that upgrade.
So here is what i’m going to do for aircraft that are already added
for aircraft that is already implemented, if they are missing external weapon loadouts, i’ll mention them in the tab where it would normally be used to give a brief overview of the aircraft
The folder that You created with Eurofighter is alright, but it should have the normal production eurofighter not the various units that I suggested. Those units were suggested because they had unique features and theyr main role was to be premiums,event or squadron. Now, I will ask to apply the following changes:
Euroighter DA3 13.0
Folder with
Eurofighter Trance 1 13.0
Eurofighter Trance 2 13.3
Eurofighter Trance 3 13.7
You can include the others units like ispa6 and da7 in the premium branch as event/squad or prem
also were is the F35A?
Regarding the Tornados, the base and upgraded should be foldered with the normal and upgraded tornado ids
I strongly disagree here. this aircraft was never adopted and it was only used by the Italian air force therefore it’s only place is in the Italian tt.
ATA was never created it was just a project
The F-35A not being in the proposal is a error on my part, both will be added in the TT (the F-35A will be more Air-Superiority focused while the F-35B will be more Multirole/Ground Attack focused)
In the context of the Eurofighters, you are also correct in that the DA’S, IPA’s and ISPA’s are all prototypes/test beds, some will still be in the TT as gap fillers but the rest will all be Premium, Event or Squad vehicles but not immediately for all of them. The Tranche 1, 2 Blk-15, 3 & 3A are also added as TT vehicles, the Tranche-2 Blk-8 is added as a premium
Finally the Tornado IDS (1995) and A-200C won’t be in a folder together however the IDS (1995) and IT ECR will be folder in together now
AMX ATA was never created it was just a project
Do you have any substitutes to replace it like any Italian testbeds of the AMX for example
I suggest adding C.201 as rank 2 premium/event.
This was an attempt at improvement of C.200 by taking it more aerodynamic and smooth. They eliminate hump behind engine, enclosed cockpit. This increased speed(a little) and reduced drag(better energy retention)
I was looking at any potential weapon loads to expand the existing Italian Bombers and i found this
SM.79 with 2 450kg torpedos
Also, additional bombs for early fighters, CR.32/42’s, G.50’s, C.200’s were after being repleced in frontal use by newer machines used as attack aircraft droping 50kg,100kg and heavier bombs.
Also Sispre C-7 would be much needed addition to early Jets
I would like to see this more than a subtree, its a shame because Italy really has quite alot of aircraft still to be added
My beloved…
If this is referring to the 339CB - as in, the one only ever operated by the RNZAF - there’s a very, very short list of stores that were actually able to be used with it, and Sidewinders weren’t on that list (nor was the Magic).
No it is referring to this
Aermacchi kept a couple of the earlier C models for demonstrators and sales pitches for foreign buyers and the Italian Airforce. The only export MB.339 present is the MB.339CE which is a MB.339CD for the Eritrean Airforce.
Update: The G.95 is moved to the “Unfinished prototype” section due to components for the G.95 was built such as the tail and wings, a testbed for it was also built so modeling it is possible
New vehicle:
VAK-191B (located on the “Other Italian Fighters and Attackers” Line): Fiat had some involvement in the development in the VAK-191B alongside VFW, the VAK-191B also incorporated the wings and tail from the cancelled G.95
I am doing researches for suggest the G95 currently, could You provide me some source that states that?
Thanks