[Discussion] (edit: bug report made) JAGM & PARS vs LMUR – Why no top-attack for NATO missiles in game?

Hi everyone,

I wanted to start a proper discussion on top-attack ATGMs at top tier — because right now there seems to be an odd imbalance in how they’re modeled:

JAGM (AGM-179) – In real life, it’s the successor to Hellfire. It inherits the top-attack flight profile (climb and dive onto the roof) and adds dual-mode seekers (millimeter-wave radar + SAL).

Source: U.S. Army fact sheet (Redstone Arsenal press release, 2018): “JAGM provides the capability to strike targets from the top attack angle with precision in all weather.”

PARS 3 LR (MBDA) – A European fire-and-forget ATGM with imaging IR seeker, explicitly marketed for top-attack against MBTs.

Source: MBDA brochure: “PARS 3 LR uses a lofted trajectory to attack targets from above, striking the weakest armor.”

Ref: Products | MBDA

LMUR (Izdeliye-305) – Russia’s newest ATGM, and in War Thunder it does have a steep dive / loft profile modeled, making it behave like a top-attack weapon.

Source: Rostec export description highlights its over-the-horizon and top-attack style terminal profile.

The inconsistency

LMUR gets its advanced profile in game.

JAGM and PARS — which are equally documented as top-attack weapons — are stuck as direct line-of-sight Hellfires.

Questions to discuss

Why is LMUR allowed a top-attack trajectory in WT, while JAGM and PARS are not?

Is Gaijin holding back NATO missiles for “balance,” or is it due to selective use of sources?

Would giving JAGM/PARS their intended roof-attack actually break GRB balance, or just level the playing field with LMUR?

Curious what other players think, especially those flying Tiger UHTs or Apaches vs MI-28NM. Right now, it feels odd that Russian ATGMs are given their full real-world features, while NATO’s equivalents aren’t.

Edit:
Bug report link:Community Bug Reporting System

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It’s one of those things that we are forced into facing an unequal balance of power.
I’m not gonna rant about UHT here but the Pars themselves have a lot more issues than most players know.

Missing proxy fuse
Missing 1km of range
Missing possible warhead explosive mass
Missing correct flight profile
Missing slightly more penetration

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The ballistics are entirely fabricated and do not require any basis.

It would be better to make a report on JAGM instead of a useless topic on the forum. As far as I know, no one has yet reported their trajectory.

Why should we though?
LMUR gets the care and time to have a correct attack profile.

Yet Hellfire and JAGM and others dont.

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Well, you can do nothing but then you won’t get anything.

Many people are ready to participate in useless (although quite funny) debates on the forum for weeks that won’t change anything, but they don’t want to spend 1 day and make a report that can really make a difference.

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Also jagm

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https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/0EfDA6sXcBok

rip spaas lol

You mean like the report for the Hellfires that is years old and still incorrect?

https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/9H3sqKtnfsji

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My hope is that they’ve pioneered new code on the LMUR, and could roll it out for all FNF missiles in the future…
But who am I kidding, it’s gaijin and we’ve been asking for SPIKE/PARS buffs for years

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My hope is Gaijin finally prove MI-28 can and does carry more than 4 LMURs…

Of course they wont because they cant
And it just wouldn’t be balanced if they didnt have 8 guaranteed kills

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I gave up on hellfires long ago , that report you see right there was my last attempt.

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Update: I went ahead and created a bug report for the JAGM (AGM-179) missing top-attack/loft profile.
You can find it here:

https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/FVK6S6TBA9wp

If you’ve got replays, clips, or sources, please add them there or upvote it — the more evidence, the harder it is to ignore.

This way we’re not just debating in circles on the forum, but actually giving Gaijin the data they need.

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Not just JAGM & PARS, pretty sure brimstone is missing a fair amount of functionality as well.

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It does but since its laser guided in game every bit of functionality doesnt matter anyway

the Spike ER can be in the list to
bring to the AH-64D-I Saraph the Spikes ER and ER II !

Something that smacks russian tanks cant be buffed

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Worth adding: it’s not only the AH-64E that carries JAGM. The AH-1Z Viper also uses it, here’s a recent USMC release showing the missile mounted:

https://www.marines.mil/Photos/igphoto/2003507639/igsearch/jagm/

That makes it even more important for JAGM to be modeled correctly in game. It’s not some niche weapon, it’s the baseline modern ATGM for U.S. Army and Marine helicopters. If LMUR gets its advanced flight profile, JAGM (and PARS) should too.

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If anyone else has replays or screenshots of JAGM behaving like a flat LOS Hellfire, drop them in the bug report. Multiple repros = much higher chance of Gaijin acting.

Report link:
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/FVK6S6TBA9wp