im amazed 2s38 and xm800t arent mentioned. like those are open goals in undertiering
I know the gun is subject to person but from my experience I’d actually liked the 23mm better cause 60 rounds is basically 2 bursts, and the fact that they could and very likely will slip between intervals is very annoying. Apart from that J7E is pretty much as u said, the best below 12.7, very comparable from my tests even to F16s. I wouldn’t really have said that it makes that much of a difference 11.3 and 11.0, cause the only thing it sees is Mirage CS5 at 12.3 which is near neglectable, otherwise I can’t really think of much difference, although I do see the point about compression and 10.0 vehicles seeing it.
However A5C’s BR is way over tiered.
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I would agree with the xm800t after it gets dm63 but prior to that it’s almost useless. Honestly I think the main contributing factor for it’s lower br is the ussr TT as even with DM63 you aren’t doing anything frontally or on the sides except maybe hunting for a modling issue pixel.
I dont think it really needs a better round, its canon is full stab and the definition of spamcanon with that brilliant fire rate and can side pen near anything a RARDEN can with rare exception. my main reason for thinking its undertiered is because its closest counterpart is the scimitar, which is sluggish, unstabilised, slow firing and worse in armour but only 0.3 lower. Scimitar may have been modelled wrong in most aspects but even as an accurate model it would be an unfair thing to have in neighbouring BRs which fight the same battles almost every match
Well that’s an lie.
Never did I say it needs a better round I said most of the USSR tech tree is safe from pen on the side and front aside maybe a pixel or 2. And that could be the reason you don’t see the 800t going up.
not really in most instances that people are using the XM right, ie right up in their face so they cant traverse the gun on you, basically the same reason that people have coped about the fox for half a year.
I see it being in a better position at 8.3 as there’s more thin armour around while also getting an incredibly aggressive light tank away from the ww2 vehicles which have no way to combat such a thing.
The 23 just doesn’t do it for me personally, getting hits on what any other gun would saw off a wing is annoying. The 60 rounds lasts enough if you tap fire like 5 at a time and have good aim. It’s mostly just down to opinion though.
Ok now your being disingenuous. I don’t care how close you get 66mm is never penning 80mm aside from gaijin modeling holes.
shoot it in the back of the head and one burst it after doing a driveby mobility kill, its easy in a fox so not much excuse in a stabilised tank with a monumentally better fire rate
Lets stay with the statements
because i proved its very doable? rush a slow soviet rustbox tracking it and maybe taking the barrel too for security and then finishing it off in the back of the turret?
No because you are manufacturing statements.
I said they are almost unpenneable from the front and sides. I said the starting round is very anemic but the DM63 is fine.
You then go and make out my statements as I am saying the the 800t needs a better round and that there is no pennable spots on Russian tanks.
Also on that you said 800t should go up .3 br to stay away from ww2 tanks. The only ww2 tanks
The 800t sees is the kugeblitz, Maus, E-100 tortoise, and T95, Panther II and tiger II 10.5. Of that list only 2 will find the 800t a threat rather than a nuisance.
Back to the topic of the Fox researched it has 110mm of pen. That is able to go through the sides of soviet tanks. So comparing the fox to having to shoot the same spots as the 800t is an farce aswell. Also the fox is 7.7 not 8.0 the preformance difference from the two tanks is already being shown.
wasn’t my intention to convey that, I was saying I don’t think it needs a better round to go up.
It doesn’t see tortoise btw, but it sees T44s which are ww2.
only used it as an example of a vehicle people huff copium over, hence why I said
one br notch difference between vehicles with such a drastic performance gap as the same class isn’t this compressed anywhere else in WT
You are right my bad. Except the T-44 it sees is an T-44-100 Also known as the first T-54. It wasn’t even accepted until after the war as far as I know but if we want to call it an WW2 tank sure. But why split hairs on another tank that the 800t has very few spots it can pen.
The real area you see the 800t excel in is light armored vehicles so other light tanks. To say it has the same performance as an Bradley is far from the truth.
Less pen for double the speed and agility, quite literally the fastest tracked vehicle in game everywhere. that’s more than a worthwhile tradeoff
Im also against Bradley being so low because BR compression is really annoying being in a late 1940s tank and seeing a brad.
I’ve definitely penned T-54/55s in the side with sub-80mm pen rounds. Not sure where the weakspot is but I think it’s near the turret ring. It’s viable enough to shoot that since I’ve done it consistently.
In order to demonstrate BR compression, I will use the F-5 series.
It should be:
11.0 F-5C/F-5A - where the F-5C should sit, currently it is undertiered unless they fix it’s miniscule IR signature
11.3 ROCAF F-5A (it has Aim-9Ps)
11.7 F-5E/ F-5A(G)
12.0 F-5T/F-5E FCU
12.3 F-5E FCU (maybe)
But what we really have is 0.7 Brs between the worst and best, instead of the 1.3 that is needed.
You can apply this same thinking to other aircraft, and you will eventually decompress the game. Just find equivalent aircraft, and the differences between aircraft.
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Bro, F5C with AIM9E is really suboptimal, it pretty much is worse than Mig21 at the same BR cause AIM9E won’t pull anything more than a straight up rear aspect. Also it is slow.
I do agree with the rest though, F5TSCU, potentially 4 python 3 as suggested in bug report accepted, with HMD at 11.3 is ridiculous.
There’s large point of compression like that and some small points where you can squeeze out 0.3.
For example the Su-27 is better than the MiG-29G is almost every way at 13.0. But moving the G down to 12.7 puts it where it would be better than the MiG-29A at the same BR. So move the Su-27 to 13.3 right? Nope. The Su-34 is 13.3 and it is better than the Su-27. The only option there is adding 0.3.
There’s quite a few points like that too. It really needs to be fixed.
cough cough
Fox ?