[Discussion] Balance, Bias, Matchmaking and Battle Ratings

I mean technically seen 75% of your matches are either full or partly uptiers - and just 25% should be a full downtier.

But it looks like that this 25% chance of a full downtier exists just in theory and depends extremely on your mode, highly popular vehicles in other nations, your server and the time when you play.

This perfectly explains how my teams are often ignoring like 95% of the map right from the start and still manage to lose control of the 5% they are all bunched up at.

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Ah yes, so much better with its

  1. worse gun
  2. worse missiles
  3. barely faster turning airframe

Maybe don’t dogfight it?

Yeah, yet gaijin conveniently acts blind. Also compared to the j7d the a5c is just worse

1st question… how tf did you do colored text??

2nd question… you do know the Su-33 has no Fox 3s? So why would it be in the same bracket?

Why is the tiger E 6.0 still it got nerfed and br raised they removed volumetrics on the turret now its a easy one tap for anything with 100mm plus pen

The 30mm has a much higher stopping power which is better IMO, but the gun is subjective

The PL-7 is at best a side grade to the PL-5B, so not a better missile

The J-7E is the best supersonic dogfighting airframe below 12.7 unless anything has changed since I last checked. Calling it “slightly” better is a lie and both you and I know it.

Saying the J-7E belongs anywhere below 11.3 is openly advocating for compression and asking for the jets you fly to be OP.

i think hes mixing up the j7e and j7d, because there is no way someone thinks the j7e is worse than the j7d. The j7d is the premium one with the j7e being the double delta mig 21 with quazy hmd (due to the radar) and great cqb missiles.

im amazed 2s38 and xm800t arent mentioned. like those are open goals in undertiering

I know the gun is subject to person but from my experience I’d actually liked the 23mm better cause 60 rounds is basically 2 bursts, and the fact that they could and very likely will slip between intervals is very annoying. Apart from that J7E is pretty much as u said, the best below 12.7, very comparable from my tests even to F16s. I wouldn’t really have said that it makes that much of a difference 11.3 and 11.0, cause the only thing it sees is Mirage CS5 at 12.3 which is near neglectable, otherwise I can’t really think of much difference, although I do see the point about compression and 10.0 vehicles seeing it.

However A5C’s BR is way over tiered.

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I would agree with the xm800t after it gets dm63 but prior to that it’s almost useless. Honestly I think the main contributing factor for it’s lower br is the ussr TT as even with DM63 you aren’t doing anything frontally or on the sides except maybe hunting for a modling issue pixel.

I dont think it really needs a better round, its canon is full stab and the definition of spamcanon with that brilliant fire rate and can side pen near anything a RARDEN can with rare exception. my main reason for thinking its undertiered is because its closest counterpart is the scimitar, which is sluggish, unstabilised, slow firing and worse in armour but only 0.3 lower. Scimitar may have been modelled wrong in most aspects but even as an accurate model it would be an unfair thing to have in neighbouring BRs which fight the same battles almost every match

Well that’s an lie.

Never did I say it needs a better round I said most of the USSR tech tree is safe from pen on the side and front aside maybe a pixel or 2. And that could be the reason you don’t see the 800t going up.

not really in most instances that people are using the XM right, ie right up in their face so they cant traverse the gun on you, basically the same reason that people have coped about the fox for half a year.

I see it being in a better position at 8.3 as there’s more thin armour around while also getting an incredibly aggressive light tank away from the ww2 vehicles which have no way to combat such a thing.

The 23 just doesn’t do it for me personally, getting hits on what any other gun would saw off a wing is annoying. The 60 rounds lasts enough if you tap fire like 5 at a time and have good aim. It’s mostly just down to opinion though.

Ok now your being disingenuous. I don’t care how close you get 66mm is never penning 80mm aside from gaijin modeling holes.

shoot it in the back of the head and one burst it after doing a driveby mobility kill, its easy in a fox so not much excuse in a stabilised tank with a monumentally better fire rate

Lets stay with the statements

because i proved its very doable? rush a slow soviet rustbox tracking it and maybe taking the barrel too for security and then finishing it off in the back of the turret?

No because you are manufacturing statements.

I said they are almost unpenneable from the front and sides. I said the starting round is very anemic but the DM63 is fine.

You then go and make out my statements as I am saying the the 800t needs a better round and that there is no pennable spots on Russian tanks.

Also on that you said 800t should go up .3 br to stay away from ww2 tanks. The only ww2 tanks
The 800t sees is the kugeblitz, Maus, E-100 tortoise, and T95, Panther II and tiger II 10.5. Of that list only 2 will find the 800t a threat rather than a nuisance.

Back to the topic of the Fox researched it has 110mm of pen. That is able to go through the sides of soviet tanks. So comparing the fox to having to shoot the same spots as the 800t is an farce aswell. Also the fox is 7.7 not 8.0 the preformance difference from the two tanks is already being shown.