[Discussion] Balance, Bias, Matchmaking and Battle Ratings

All it had was armour though.

19 second reload and cant kill the tiger 2 on test drive is all I need to know. Tiger 2 and M103 should be 6.7 - is there any argument actually about the m103 and not whataboutery?

If you’re trying to upper front plate it that’s a you problem. It has more pen than the 17 pounder’s APDS and that can go through the tiger 2’s turret face. (Let’s ignore the fact that it can just UFP a tiger 2 up close anyway). This is with the solid shot btw, you also have heat-fs which just negates this question entirely

Spawn test drive - dont move

Shoot as many times as you like at tiger 2 with m103

Spawn t29 - kill tiger 2 with 1 pop in turret everytime

M103 1 pops tiger 2 through front plate - fair- you have to be able to see tank though meenwhile…

T29 you can just shoot the turret from anywhere and tiger dies

Easy and repeatable and to me anyway shows its no where near t29 in fire power and now its lost its armour it has nadda making it 7.7

if you do this the 20 pounder suddenly can’t upper front plate the panther and I know for a fact that you can do this because I have done this in games. Test Drive is not a reliable indicator of actual game conditions.

If what you are saying is true (not saying you are wrong as iv no idea) then we have nothing to go off apart from feelings. Surely the game isn’t this bad where perfect conditions still don’t represent reality?

The loading screen says something like in game damage will be affected by tank movement and network connection so in game is also worthless. The pen damage menu is also false info- iv seen shells that pen at 800m and dont pen under 400m (numbers made up as i cant remember exactly)

Solo gaming

you could delete dedicated atgm vehicles from the game and lose absolutely nothing of value

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My go to counterargument is the utter state of SPAA rn. I once ammoracked an strv103 from range with the chieftain marksman, kind of angled and somewhat frontally, and I’ve just stopped questioning anything related to autocannon pens. The game is really weird and has so much spaghetti under the hood it wouldn’t surprise me in the least that test drive is bugged in some form

coldest take on the planet: hesh needs a rework

Genuinely what am I supposed to do against an m901 or a shturm at range in the chieftain. You know what I need? An overpressure round. You know what doesn’t overpressure an ATGM launcher? fucking HESH. These vehicles are already obnoxious to play against, but it’s even worse when you don’t have literally any counterplay.

yeah man my fault, I should have aimed higher into a vehicle that was climbing a hill into me and one shot me half a second later.


this genuinely ruined what was otherwise a good night of war thunder. this vehicle is ridiculous and needs to be addressed.

All i want is this fucking uptier stuff to stop, i cant endure that any longer, my ships are absolutely worthless against Battleships or ships with 180mm+ guns, i get one tapped every time, i just lost a 500% booster for NOTHING because of this damn uptier system bs

Attica was designed in a lab to make me upset every single time I play on it. The only actually enjoyable part of the map to play is the sightline where everyone pussyfoots around to try and shoot without getting shot and that inevitably turns into one side taking point control despite the other 2 sightlines being just as bad.

I’m reiterating this. They’re just flat out bad game design and not enjoyable to play against at all.

more EOMM, more… biggest shit in game

can we just stop france and japan from sharing a team at 7.7. anytime they do it’s the biggest stomp you’ll ever see and the only people having fun are the sweatlords in their ho-ris and somuas and whatever in the worst battle mode match you’ve ever fucking seen. It’s genuinely miserable and is yet more proof that SBMM would improve this game immensely

the bomber problem returned few hits you burn and die, what a shit

the bomber problem never left, it’s just 2 sides of the same coin

At the moment it seems the game is in a very poor state overall, bugs,cheating,imbalance and there seems to be no improvent or a will and interest to improve it.
It appears that the player base is being taken for granted and as long as people keep spending ridiculous amounts on copy paste vehicles there is no incentive for the company to listen or act, the profit/loss and bottom line are the only things that matter and will be focused on.

howitzers just should not get SAP. You know those vehicles that require kind of careful aim, especially at range? Yeah what if they didn’t actually.

Why KV1B 4.3 but Finnish Kv1 M1942 4.7? 1942 less turret armor

put both of them to 4.7, no up-armored kv-1 should be lower than 4.7