Ok. We have a misconception here. You’re talking about IRCM which is present on the Apache too. I’m talking about the newly implemented DIRCM, present on the Mi-28 and some Chinese heli. The one thing that’s actively distrupting every ir missile
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LDIRC. DIRCM was is present in game, but it acts identically to the standard IRCM.
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The disruption of all IR missiles [except AGMs] has been a feature since at least December 2023.
I myself tested it on the dev server and live server whichever update it was for.
I determined “This is useless.” because the #1 SPAA type was and still is radar guidance.
Are there more options for players now to leave holes in their air defense? Sure. But those holes are hilariously minor when helicopters are just terrible investments in top GRB and have been since 5? months after ADATS and Tunguska were in the game together.
Even the AH-60 for Israel is a waste of spawn points; it’s fun more than likely, but it’s inefficient.
And people may not like dealing with the fact their favorite spawns harm their team’s chance of winning, and that’s fine.
Sometimes for your own enjoyment, it’s worth harming your team’s chances of winning by spawning CAS at 570 or 960SP, perfectly fine.
If everyone cared about winning, we’d only see MBTs everywhere and that’d be a tad more stale.
except for the fact the IR missiles it was going against had seekers/guidance type no where near as advanced compared to the ones that we have now.
So now either your bring SACLOS spaa which are great agaisnt helicopters or you bring FnF spaa which are great against planes but terrible against helicopters.
That’s just not true and is entirely dependent on how you play helicopters. Flying straight up and launching agms is a weak strategy but it’s the one the majority uses.
Playing smartly is how you make helicopters effective.
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Two of the new F&F SPAA are radar guided, which do indeed work against helicopters.
Also playing smartly is knowing when it’s safe to spawn a helicopter, even on the maps that helicopters are decent on such as Carpathians.
There is no such thing as LDIRC. The AMASE pods on the AH-64D have DIRCM, which is currently not modeled as is for the helis I’ve mentioned above
https://investor.northropgrumman.com/node/12196/pdf
LDIRC, Laser Directional Infrared Countermeasures for short.
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ok. As I’ve said, this things are referred to as DIRCM or Directed Infrared Countermeasures
Yes, however in game they are different, by addition of Band8 or something like that, that causes them to blind anything IR related.
Laser on 28NM
Non laser DIRCM, for example KA-52
and IRCM, for example 64D
Are worse at redirecting in game, and they dont work against for example Spikes or 65D
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they only work when you are either high up or moving, both being easily avoidable. .
What you said is only one piece of the pie. positioning and situational awareness take up a much larger piece.
Regardless the idea that helicopters aren’t useful in top tier is false
Alvis it’s not the dazzler dircm it’s newy laser based laser drcm with are vastly different from older dazzlers on ka52 and all that’s what they topic is about not the old dazzlers
I won’t disagree about that being a potential issue.
All I’m saying is the defeating of IR anti-air missiles is not new.
That’s it.
I understand that but previous there were chances when your missiles will still work right now it is so bad that a system that was designed to counter at max 2 missiles can counter 100 at a time
It should theoretically but at the moment an IR- Lock overwrites datalink and IOG would only kick in if the IR seeker loses track
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You laugh about what?
#1 helicopter killer in the game - the QN506. Orbital strike on helicopters no matter where they are or how far they try hide. And no, the spike is not even close to as effective as the QN506’s QN502CDD.
RIP for SPAA though, i guess.
Well, it seems like they should also be decoyed by the new LDIRCM. If it is, idk, i have no way of checking.
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DIRCM has been a really powerful broken mess from the moment it was added.
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