Do you know what really gives my goat World War 2 Tanks going up against guided-missile sling vehicles now let’s see I don’t recall any guided missiles in my history books oh wait a minute in World War 2 now they were unguided rockets in World War 2 and then on top of that you have M60A1 going up against M48 Patton Tank now where is the balance in that in gameplay there is none sorry.
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Gaijin doesnt exactly balance by era at this point
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There were guided missiles in WW2. The V-2, most famously, but also guided anti-ship missiles like the Fritz-X and ASM-N-2 Bat. I vaguely recall the Germans working on a very janky air to air missile as well.
Regardless, when you eventually get to use said guided missiles, I’m sure you’ll find they’re more of a handicap than an advantage. They’re awkward to guide, since at point blank range they’ll overcorrect through the crosshair and slam into terrain or miss the target completely. They’re also slow enough that, when firing, you have to be sure that your target will not roll into cover, see you and return fire, or just see the missile and dodge it, because they have plenty of time to react.
You are pratically always better off with a conventional tank round versus an ATGM, since they’re easier to aim and don’t give the target several seconds to react. The only exception is against very tough armor, but even then an APDS or HEAT shell will also do the job
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Let’s see was that mounted on a vehicle and was launched on a vehicle no so you’re missing the whole point Bud and let’s see how big was the computer to operate that V2 rocket. and I don’t see a sighting system on this computer so I can’t see it in the field of battle. And this is Helmet hölzer’s analog computer The V-2 was guided by four external rudders on the tail fins, and four internal graphite vanes in the jet stream at the exit of the motor . These 8 control surfaces were controlled by Helmut Hölzer’s analog computer
, the Mischgerät, via electrical-hydraulic servomotors, based on electrical signals from the
He obviously wasn’t trying to say these weapons were similar, he was just answering your question posed in the title.
Read the second half of what he said please… you didn’t try to address it at all.
V-2 rocket, German ballistic missile of World War II, the forerunner of modern space rockets and long-range missiles. Powered by a rocket engine yeah, Daaa I’m going brain dead it in my old age Lol yeah I turn 66 in three days
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Spaniel, Air Spaniel, Artemis were British guided missiles during the second world war, albeit the Spaniel was a SAM and the Air Spaniel was hand guided, the Artemis was a SARH missile.
The United Kingdom’s first operational air-to-air guided missile, the Fireflash, was declared operational in 1957. However, it was quickly replaced by the de Havilland Firestreak the following year. During World War II, the British did not have any widely deployed guided missiles of their own, but they primarily faced the German “V-weapons” - the V-1 flying bomb (also called a “buzz bomb” or “doodlebug”) and the V-2 ballistic missile, which were considered the most prominent guided missiles of the war, used against Britain in large numbers towards the end of the conflict; the British primarily focused on developing countermeasures to these German weapons rather than deploying their own guided missiles at the time.
Yes. Ki-48
It wasnt operational but they did have them and were mounted. Because it used the same rocket as the RP-3 it was deemed too short range to be useful, and wasnt in operational service
U.S. had one two is called the bazooka U Aim and launch and forget about it where is it and if your aim is off you miss the target
Dont be stupid you know what I’m talking about
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The Kawasaki Ki -48 was a Japanese twin-engine light bomber that was used during World War II. Its Allied reporting name was “Lily”. Ki -48 . Kawasaki Ki -48 . Yep it was a rice burner
Another post basically advocating for historical matchmaking…
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If you want to complain about Gaijin giving up any pretense of representing historical scenarios in favor of generic arena shooter style gameplay you’re almost a decade too late for that.
If you relate to the context of the OP it is imho obvious that was referring to face ATGMs in WW 2 era tanks. So this limits the scope of possible answers for a direct reply.
An enemy tank is a tactical target which requires precision strikes which needs an active guidance by either the missile itself (via onboard electronics) or by the operator who launched the missile.
No nation in WW 2 had the technical abilities to ensure the necessary precision to identify, to hit and to kill a small target like a tank with a guided missile.
Sorry man, this is technically seen not correct as your examples are actually glide or guided bombs used vs large targets like ships. The V-2 is a ballistic missile which was not guided by an operator in flight as the target data / location was determined on the ground and the lack of precision made them suited just for area targets.
Even admitting that the distinction between missiles and glide bombs is often unclear and used in parallel as soon as the glide bomb has a own jet or rocket engine (like with the Hs 293) the OP refers obviously to ATGMs…
There was nothing “janky” about the Ruhrstahl X-4 - but it was not used in combat. The concept of wire guidance itself was combat proven in 1943 and was used for the first ATGMs long after WW 2.
The unguided R4M was used operational as AAM quite successfully, that’s why the F-86, F-89 or the F-94 were equipped with FFAR.
Besides various prototypes the most known (and actually guided) missile was the Hs 293 (anti ship); whilst it can be qualified as a missile due to the rocket engine, it is actually more a guided glide bomb with wings as the engine was used to extend the range.
Imho you just refer to the two main weaknesses of wt:
The substantial lack of immersion due to a BR setting policy based on combat capabilities of average wt players without era separation and the artificially increased precision of any kind of weapons (besides the way too easy target identification) in order to make the game playable.
Both topics are connected to each other and are key pillars of gaijin’s success within their desired customer group: Kids with access to M & D’s credit card…
Have a good one!
Sure, but he stated that there we no guided missiles during WW2, which is something I’ve seen said as a absolute statement before when there were plenty of projects and even some production models.
I would consider a wire guided AAM to be pretty janky, especially when it was intended for use specifically against heavy bombers and yet the complexity of guiding the missile in while also flying the plane percluded single seat aircraft, meaning the actual delivery vehicle was the Ju-88. I’d love to see what would happen to any Ju-88 interceptors when they came across even a lightly escorted bomber formation.
But thank you for bring that up, because looking into it reminded me of the related X-7 project, which was a wire guided ATGM that was even supposedly deployed in WW2 (unconfirmed, but entirely plausible).
Sorry man - i have zero clue where do you get your information - but without reliable information your conclusions can’t be correct. This comment is far away from your usual high quality posts.
Why?
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The concept of wire guided missiles is nothing “pretty janky”. The major advantage was (and is still today) being “unjammable” and rather cheap to produce. That’s the reason why every major nation used wire guided ATGMs and even the US Army had wire guided ATGMs in service 55 years later.
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The wikipedia entry regarding “too complicated” and therefore “foreseen for multi-crew aircraft” is complete BS. The missile was tested with 262s and 190s - successfully. You even find pictures of the used joystick in a 190. This kills your whole argument.
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From the perspective of the available tech 80 years ago the missile was quite impressive. The additional tests with acoustic homing devices (adjusted to the engine frequency emitted by specific bombers) were successful too, even as this sounds like scifi.
You might find this quite well researched vid interesting:
Have a good one!
Edit: Grammar…
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