Yeah it’s fine, i can play my ADTW without dying to F-14s now so i’m happy
We’re so back
correct it only gets chaff not Flares
Yeah let me just chaff away an R60M
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Why is there no 12.3 deck in the rotation after the update, just as there is no 12.0 in the current Sim?
I don’t understand why we continue this bad tradition and this update was the best chance to change this tradition…
There’s your problem bud ))
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yea but at least it can help against aim-7s and stuff
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MiG29s shouldnt be lower than sparrow equiped F-16
35XS is joke… you dont have CMs (12 is joke), you dont have RWR AT ALL.
Performance after nerfs is subpar and yet, its above J7D with better FM, better gun, RWR, more CMS and substantially better missiles??? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?? How is mirage IIIE? Absolute trash going up any logical?
Given how god damn bad tornado F3 is… it should stay at 11.7 bracket. There is no god damn reason why it should go up, that platform is abysmal.
If 23ML can go to 11.3 only while having ONLY worse RWR that was unrealistically buffed to detect PD anyway, there is no reason for it to be SAME BR AS J35XS for gods sake. Anyone at gaijin ever using brain doing these changes? XS is perfectly fine where it is as of now.
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when’s next week
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Ah yes, the AIM-7C/D, what a massive threat, especially when you’re flying low at that BR
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just an example, no need to get worked up…
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How did I miss that one, what an absolute joke. The F-4EJ Kai is going to be higher than the Mirage 2k after this. =D
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Now:
- AIM-9M for F-16A/ADF, F-14B
- AIM-9L for F-14A
- Make the radar on the F-15C and other 13.7 planes actually be something new (range and power, modes, etc)
-That’s it for now
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READ THE POST BEFORE VOTING
Sometime ago, the Mig-23 series of aircraft was severely nerfed. Having started as dogfight monsters they have severely fallen off from those days of glory. As they currently stand, they are outperformed in a dogfight by much heavier planes like the F-4 and even some attackers like the Su-17/22.
The Mig-23M and it’s German brother the Mig-23MF have ended up as a worse Su-17, having the same 6x R60M missiles but lacking the over 250 flares and other air to ground weapons such as the Kh-29T. The Mig-23M only has 12 countermeasures which can be used up in a single engagement leaving you essentially defenseless in a BR full of all-aspect missiles.
Moving them to 10.7 however would not be a great choice either because theyr 6x R-60M could be overwhelming as seen with the Su-17UM-3 where they fight flareless and completely defeneless planes. That is why a better alternative in my opinion is for the Mig-23M and the Mig-23MF to be moved down to 10.3 but lose their all aspect R-60M. While yes, they do still have the R-23T which is all aspect, it cannot be effectively used as such since it does not pull instantly and is also quite heavy which makes it rather difficult to actually use in a head on unless you use it like a Proximity Fuze rocket due to its low (2.3km) head on lock range.
The R-23T also got heavily affected by the drag changes a while back, significantly reducing its range. Same goes for the R-23R which not only takes 1.7 seconds before it even starts maneuvering, the radar offers no ACM lock mode which makes it even more difficult to use since you’re forced to use the wide scan search mode.
I personally feel like it will be a balanced 10.7 aircraft, compareable to the F-4C and other “heavy” fighters if it loses its R-60M.
In fairness the AIM-7C is completely useless. I have no idea how effective the AIM-7D is and most likely never will now that the F-4C is going to be domed by an R-24R from 15km away.
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Basically all the radar missiles you see in an F105D can be beat by simply flying low, not even using multipathing just fly low enough that the enemy radar (which doesn’t have PD) can’t see you because of ground clutter
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Holy moly am I dreaming? Hey its not perfect but I’ll take it.
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The J7D should stay at 11.0 being its not at the same caliber as the MiG21Bis and the J7E.
The A7D shiuld also stay at 10.0 being its missles dont really help it too much and its still a bus.
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Ok then.
F-105D - no all-aspect, no flares. Why up? It should sit on 9.7 IMHO and even so it couldnt do much.
All early F-4’s - no all-aspect, garbage radars, garbage SARH. Why up? F-4C even get 10.7 while even havent flares. This is a joke?
Kfir Canard - no all-aspect, no SARH. Why up?
It just a quick but illustrative example.
Overall as i already said above - you not decompress anything, you just up everything in numbers but stays relatively the same against each other.
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Well, to be honest with you it’s a garbo example. The 105D has been broken for one month after addition and then pushed into BRs it doesn’t belong into and stomped. It’s really fun facing magic 2s and R-60Ms in it but at least it has chaff amirite