Decompressing Battle Ratings for Top Aircraft and Accompanying Changes to Stock Weapons

You were mocking him. No reason for that.

I made no statements of mockery and never will.
I laughed at the idea that decompression is a bad thing, cause that’s laughable. I made zero mention of the person themselves with that statement as I don’t know the reasons why that post was made.
I responded to his claim that no one is praising this decompression as progress with surprise/curiosity, no mockery.
And prior to that my first response to any of his posts was a question of why decompression is a step back.
Zero mockery. 2 sincere inquiries, and 1 chuckle at “decompression bad” not a person.
During this entire topic, I have exactly zero negative thoughts about anyone here. I hold all here as equal.

I might be autistic, but I know what mockery is.

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Besides what everyone else has said about the F-4EJ Kai, theres also another aspect, compression
The point of the list is to decompress and seperate ARH carriers from vehicles with poorer qualities
This is accomplished in a single zone, 13.0 vehicles (most non ARH 4th gen) vs 13.7 (ARH 4th gen)
12.7 → 13.0 (1 step) to 13.0 → 13.7 (2 step)

The original br placement of the phantom was quite fair
One step above F-4S and Mirage F1C
Same br as Mirage 2000 and F-14A
One step below F-16, F-14B, Mig-29
Two steps below F-15 and Harrier
Three steps below Gripen, Su-27, Mig29G, F-4F ICE
Outside of 13.0 reach

Now:
Two steps above F-4S and Mirage F1C
One step above Mirage 2000 and F-14A
Same br as F-16A, F-14B, and Mig-29
One step below F-16 ADF, F-15A, Gripen, Mig-29G, and Harrier
Two steps below Su-27, F-4F ICE
Three steps below ALL 13.7 ARH 4th gen jets

This is a example of compression towards the direction of more capable aircraft
Also Alvis, we got your 12.7 F-4EJ Kai now, AAM-3 or no?

Ah so then AIM-7E-2 is the same as R-27R?

@Stona_WT

While you’re at it, take a look at the roundel restrictions aswell. For me personally and i’m sure many others would agree, would like to be able to use the roundel of their country on the vehicle/nations they’re playing with without having it locked to a nation.

Take the recently added RNLAF roundel for exampel.
Many of us have waited years for it to be added to the game. Unfortunatly gaijin decided to lock it to a country the dutch have no history with. And not only that, they’ve locked the dutch orange triangel to france aswell. A decal that has been available to all nations for the past years.

And please don’t say the rnlaf is locked to france because they got 1 unique vehicle (the G1), because there are a lot more dutch skinned vehicles and vehicles the dutch used outside of the frensh tech tree then current in it <3

So i think it’s time to reconsider the roundel restrictions as in a lot of cases they don’t make sence in the current state of the game. And i’m sure a lot of players would like to fight under their own roundel or flag.

R-73 Vs flameless targets…

For arcade and realistic, yeah, it seems rather arbitrary that we cannot use other nations roundels or numbers, but almost everything else is fine, even decals that are essentially more decorated roundels.

For simulator the roundels should definitely be locked to their corresponding nations though

Yeah, I don’t quite get why the Su-17M2 is moving up, but I don’t think giving it CMs would be fair if it didn’t carry them IRL. It is a rather fast plane anyways.

Sounds “good”

The changes are pretty cool but they need a bit of tweaking here and there

Since in sim we’re usually to far away from eachother to see roundels or decals anyway i doubt it would make a big difference. Besides that there are still roundels in game that are available to all nations.
An opttion could be to disable roundels for sim in general or indeed add a new system that would only lock it in sim.

Yeah, it definitely isn’t really fair for some planes to get the best missiles they can get at stock and for others to only get the weaker ones that only exist to extend the grind

I´m normally ignoring the stuff made by devs in BR-changes, because they are 99% bad changes. This time i have to say: great job for decompression. But overall there are too many bad changes in this sheet!

Some major ones:

JA35XS to 11.3? After the nerfs and with 12 flares without radar missles and no RWR. It should stay at 10.7, because it´s already a bad premium.

Every played the AJ37 have fun with it after the changes…

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Well, low tier sim is still a thing and there are brackets in which you have to rely on roundels and camos to tell friend and foe apart

F-5C buyers laughing in the background

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Hi, I am a new owner of a J35XS Draken. It only has rear-aspect IR missiles. I still see F14’s, Phantom II’s, MIG-23’s which have all aspect radar missiles.

This aircraft’s ability to maintain speed during turns is horrendous, leaving it open to follow up attacks at ranges that I am unable to compete within.

This aircraft needs a BR reduction to 9.7 based on it’s current capabilities.

Every game at the moment is up-tier. I almost never see lower BR aircraft.

F4EJ Kai next one…

Trust me, I would love to see those annoying things lose their fantasy CMs, but slapping ahistorical mods on everything just ain’t right

currently war thunder is FAR from historical so i’d be cool with giving everyone some neat mods instead of removing them

maybe make it so these mods arent usable in SIM

9.7? You know the J35A is at 9.7 with 4 AIM-9Bs and no CMs at all and the J35D is at 10.3 with fewer missiles than the XS and still no CMs, right?

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