11.3 is already facing ARHs and F-15s, this is just another drop in the ocean
F-14A has been facing Mig-29G longer. Both easily lose to Mig-29G in a 1v1.
F-15 haven’t R-73 and 27ER. He have a 7m which equals phantoms 7f
The F-15 being at 12.3 currently is fine because it “only has 7Ms”?
My dude, you are already facing fricken AMRAAMs at 11.3 and R-73s arent new at that BR either.
so now F104s Taf will be playable?
now i can distroy only bases with it…
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I dont care about phoenix spammer. But donate f4s/juk menge will be pull towards them mig-29g. And mig will feed by f4
Where i facing r73? Only retard imba bison and su-25bm/25t/39.
The MirageF1CT needs to have a BR of 12.0. Because there is a Mirage2000C in 12.3 and it is completely inferior to them. However, it is not realistic to raise the BR of the Mirage2000C to 12.7, and although its RWR is inferior to the MirageF1CT, it should be rubbed to the same BR as the MirageF1C, which is superior in terms of the number of machine guns, etc.
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F-14 have quite good flight performance and up to 6 SAHR or 6 ARH missiles so i’m sure it should be no lower than F-16A just because of amount of missiles. Especially now when multipathing nerfed.
Yes, Draken and Kfir will still face F-4j and s but they faces them now almost every match so the problem will not be worse. While aim54 is a problem for them. Espesially when there is a few f-14s on enemy team.
I think it’s quite fair to mirage2000-c be 0.3 br lower than f-16 because of fm and less missiles. But i don’t mind them be at same br as long as bison will have same br too
the phantom suffers more from infrared missiles as they ignore its heat traps due to the increased thermal contrast of the engines
The F-14B has decent flight performance due to those F-16C engines.
F-14A? It’s using engines seen on F-111, not the F, the F-111F uses even better engines.
F-14A is better than a Phantom, worse than the F-14B.
Mirage 2000C is an F-16A in flight performance while having Magic 2s and R-27R equivalent missiles.
I went through the BR changes and while not bad per se, some rework is needed.
All of these suggestions are for the ARB
Changes for current 10.0BR
- F-4C 10.7 → 10.3 or give AIM-9J/AIM-7E-2
Yeah F-4C will have same BR with F-4F Early which has AIM-9J and better airframe?
HOW???
Changes for current 10.3BR
- F-104J 10.3 → 10.7
It should have the same BR as F-104G(China), but is it not included in the Excel?
- Sea Harrier FRS.1(Early) 10.7 → 11.0
The late model is 11.3 with x4 AIM-9L, but there shouldn’t be a need for two different BR steps just because of x2 extra missiles missing.
- MiG-21MF 10.7 → 11.0
- MiG-21SMT 10.7 → 11.0
Both things are still undertierd even BR is decompressed. No ways for having 2 steps from MiG-21bis
Changes for current 10.7BR
- F-104G(Germany and Belgium) 11.3 → 11.0
- F-104G(Italy) 11.3 → 11.0
According to that Excel, the F-104G with CM has the same BR as the F-104S which has x2 extra AIM-9J/P and better engine. It is just pointless to bring it along.
- Kfir Canard 11.3 → 11.0
- J35XS 11.3 → 11.0
Yeah, I know their flight model is insane but, It should not face against Mirage 2000C-S4/C-S5, which has a similar flight models and waaaays better AAM. There are no ways for having same BR with JA37C.
Changes for current 11.0BR
- F-5E FCU 11.3 → 11.7
AIM-9P-4 and Python-3 carrier have same BR with regular F-5E… REALLY?
- J-7E 11.3 → 11.7 or 12.0 with x4 Python-3
Changes for current 11.3BR
- MiG-23ML 11.7 → 12.0
- MiG-23MLA 11.7 → 12.0
- MiG-23MLD 11.7 → 12.0
Even flight modls and radar was omega nerfed, since their implementation in the game they have been functioning quite decently as legitimate countersparts of the Phantom with PD radar and SARH missiles. As long as they move to 12.0 BR, the MiG-23 should move to the same BR as them. It is just bs that MiG-23ML has same BR with Kfir C.2.
However, radar changes should be roll back because historically, they could be changed manually as far as I know.
- F-4J Give AIM-9Ls and stay at 12.0BR
- F-4S Give AIM-9Ls and stay at 12.0BR
- F-4J(UK) Give AIM-9Ls and stay at 12.0BR
- Phantom FG.1/FGR.2 Give AIM-9Ls and stay at 12.0BR
Despite the fact that the BR has been decompressed to some extent, it is just unfair that it face against Belgium F-16A(ADF airframe but has x6 AIM-9Ms) which has AIM-9Ms and MiG-29G(R-73 + R-27E + HMD). To have a chance to win against a 13.0 BR jet, they need to receive the AIM-9L.
- Tornado F.3 11.7→12.0
- Tornado ADV 11.7→12.0
Excel says both tornados has lower BR than 11.3 Phantoms… WTF???
Changes for current 11.7BR
- F-4EJ Kai 12.7 → 12.0 or give AAM-3 and stay at 12.7
They have F-16A radar and AIM-9L but should not have the same BR as Mirage 2000C-S4/C-S5 with Magic II and decent airframe. F-4EJ Kai is almost equal in BVR and can hardly kill M2K in WVR so, should have same BR with new 12.0BR Phantoms or give AAM-3 for staying at 12.7BR.
- F-14A Early 12.3 → 12.7 with AIM-9L
The F-14A in the current meta has become a complete wipeout of aircraft sitting in lower BRs than it is. According to Excel, 12.3BR F-14A is simply unfair, since if F-14A gets full downtier games, it will face against MiG-21bis, F-104S, F-4s that doesn’t have PD radar. F-14A has AIM-54 and decent radar, and even BVR and even WVR doesn’t stand a chance against the new 11.3BR aircraft against the F-14A. However, it is unfair to the F-14A to remain stuck with rear-aspect missiles, on the contrary, it is necessary to give them AIM-9L and move them up to 12.7BR.
Changes for current 12.0BR
- F-14B 12.7 → 13.0 with AIM-9M
Refer to F-14A
- Netz 13.0 → 12.7
It can never be equal to the F-16A (Belgium), which can x6 AIM-9Ms maximum, although Netz is a Block 10. Python-3 is equivalent to AIM-9L, NOT AIM-9M.
- F-16A ADF Give AIM-9Ms and stay at 13.0BR
They have the same BR as the MiG-29G(R-73 + R-27E) while having AIM-9L + AIM-7F.
What the hell lmao
- F-16A MLU 13.0 → 13.7 and give all missing loadouts and fix CMs
Historically, the F-16A MLU is almost identical to the early F-16C which is still not implemented in the game, but is equipped with the AIM-120, AIM-9M, and HMD. Now, that the Fox-3 missile has been implemented, there should be no reason for the F-16A MLU to have the same BR as the ADF especially F-16AM has same BR with F-16C.
Changes for current 12.7BR
- JAS39A 13.0 → 13.3
So… Gripen was meta plane when we stucked at 12.7BR but, doesn’t have same BR with Su-27/J-11? bruhhhhhhh
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The initial SARH missiles for the Mirage2000C must be the super 530D missiles. The super 530F missiles are not CW guided, so they can be quickly avoided by scattering a small amount of chaff, and are inferior to the Aim-7F in most aspects, such as acceleration and range, so it is necessary to either change the initial missiles of aircraft that have the Aim-7F at the beginning to the Aim-7E, or change the initial missiles of the Mirage2000C to the super 530D.
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I am glad that you have decided to address and try to solve the problem of Toptier aircraft BR requiring decompression. However, I must comment on the planned BR changes in the table.
I don’t understand why the F-104S.ASA is upgraded to BR12.0, which makes no sense, while the Tornado F3 and Tornado ADV, which have better SARH missiles and twice as many missiles, better radar and RWR, and more flares and chaff, are at BR11.7. In fact, the F-104S.ASA’s RWR is useless because it only has sound but no direction or threat type. And its difficult turning flight performance makes it almost unsurvivable against SARH and ARH missile threats. It doesn’t deserve to be upgraded to BR12.0, and even at BR11.7 it is far inferior to the Tornado F3 and Tornado ADV.
And the new BR of J35XS is also a joke. It has no RWR, only 12 countermeasures, but will be sent to BR11.3. Such a PREMIUM vehicle is simply a fraud.
I hope you will seriously consider these comments and re-examine them. Best wishes to you.
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Phantoms lives matter!!1))0
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12.0 wouldn’t even be enough, maybe 12.7 or 12.3 at the least
The F-104S-ASA should be placed at 11.7 or 11.3.
F-104S-ASA can carry 2 AIM-9L and 2 Aspide 1-A or 4 AIM-9L and M61 RWR is sound only, radar can only see up to 37 km on MTI, lock is unstable, ACM is only effective for 4 km Aspide also has very unstable performance. The countermeasure can only carry 60 rounds.
In contrast, the Tornado ADV, F.3, slated for 11.7, can carry four AIM-9Ls and four Skyflash SuperTEMPs. It also carries one BK27 as a fixed armament; the RWR has aircraft identification and launch warning, plus radar with TWS, long lock range, ACM that can lock up to 19 km, and about 400 rounds of countermeasures.2
The aircraft have similar airframe characteristics, with some differences. (high top speed, low turning capacity).
From all perspectives, the Tornado ADV,F.3 has the advantage, but the BR revision of this aviation RB gives the Tornado ADV,F.3 11.7 and the F-104S-ASA 12.0.
This is highly unreasonable; F-104S-ASA should remain at 11.3 or be placed at 11.7.
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hopefully with these changes the F104 A/C can finally be moved up to 9.7 or 10.0
Wont happen, they refuse it for some reason no one knows
@Stona_WT Why are planes without flares being moved up in BR where all aspect missiles are more prevalent?
for example: Su-17M2 only has rear aspect missiles and no flares, is it going to be given flare pods or someone thought of just increasing its BR because “lol, lmao”
No plane without flares should face all aspect high G missiles
and no plane that can carry them should be flareless
Heavy attack (A-10As, Su-25’s, A-6E TRAM) planes should be given a lower BR and have their all aspect missiles downgraded to only rear aspects as these planes were made to hit ground targets, not hunt defenseless planes with their missiles
Moving up their BR only makes them worse on equal or uptier matches and absurdly dominant in downtiers
these minor tweaks dont really fix compression, they only move it around or even make it worse
a real fix would be adding BR 15.0 or even 20.0 and work from there with proper room for decompression
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