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F-4C → 10.7
M23MLD + Tornado F3 + Su25T + etc → 11.7?
Fuck the F-4C I guess lmao…
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Maybe just nobody playing tornado and they havent stats, at least yet?
Yeah thats wild af, first they massively nerf its turn fight potential and now nerfed br.
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Make a bug report and whait, what a problem
I already made a bug report on the windshield/cockpit and translation issues but I’m obviously yet to get a response.
- Full Glass Windshield Community Bug Reporting System
- Translation Community Bug Reporting System
Meta and underperforming are different things
That’s why the SU-27SM and J-11A should have priority in this scenario, the F-15C is perfectly competitive and the AIM-120 fixes can come at a later date.
You have ghraps or test fires(from irl)?
The R-77 drag issue is a known issue mate, it’s a in-game modelling issue and a mistake on Gaijins end.
Might be better to provide few primary
Getting primary sources for Chinese vehicles post 1990s is practically impossible, that’s the issue which we keep running into and this will become more prevalent for ALL aircrafts in the future.
That’s why most Chinese bug reports and sources Gaijin uses for Chinese vehicles usually rely on secondary sources.
Try to prove them that it cant
They refuse to show the evidence they have which proves the N001 FCS was modified to use the R-77 so we can’t disprove something which currently doesn’t exist to our knowledge.
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It’s so over 😔
Should there also be a hard barrier when the first IR missiles are seen on planes? And another when the first radar missiles are seen? And another when the first all aspect IR missiles arrive? And another when the first IRCCM missiles? How about one when you start seeing the first jet aircraft?
You have the whole planes capabilities at your disposal in battle, it’s BR is evaluated on those capabilities as is the same for the vehicles it faces. Whether or not a BR is accurate is a different issue and one this change is addressing.
Now the J-35XS is frankly suffering. I got the F1C-200 and J-35XS on these discounts. On the F1C, I took the entire branch of France in 6 days, and on the J-35XS I tried even and already the desire to swing the branch abruptly disappeared.
The J-35XS will play after the edits if it stays at 10.7 and is not touched. There are always 6 counter-fire attacks and there are no foreshortened missiles.
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Incorrect. Suggested BR for F-4S, F-4J UK (worse kit, no agile eagle), Mirage F-1C variants are 12.0. They’ll still get stomped by F-16 A, AJ, F-20A (12.7), F-16s and F-15s with SARH and IRCCM Missiles (13.0).
Incorrect. F-4EJ Kai is at 12.7. Slat-less phantom is somehow equal to 4th Gen aircraft.
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unlike your other sources that just say “they should have” this article has a nice upgrade path and which vehicles are actually capable of carrying AMRAAMS.
Some Italian F-16s can only carry sidewinders for instance.
Errrm no it’s not actually. Very few vehicle are balanced according to their characteristics (though I wish that were the case)
Balancing in War Thunder is from an economics standpoint. How much SL does the vehicle earn, nothing else.
This is why premium vehicles are generally under tiered: the players are generally inexperienced and since they perform worse they earn less, hence the BR is lower.
If they surprise add AAM 3 + 4 to it tho???
lol na they wouldn’t.
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It’s roughhh. The FM suffers from such a low turn rate (even when optimizing the wing geometry) that defending against Fox1/3s is nearly impossible even at reasonable ranges. Even if you do manage to defend you are left with so little energy and no way to quickly regain it… That being said how much can you reasonably move down a 4x Aim-120 carrier just bc it has a shitty flight model? Not a question I can easily answer…
Then wait, usuallt it take time.
And wheres reports about it?
So
Wheres problem, except of china’s security?
So
You cant prove that, but think that’s wrong
Gaijin seems to be really confused about what decompression means, so let me spell it out. Decompression is not just raising the BR cap and moving everything up - decompression is raising the BR cap and moving the best vehicles at a BR up, and keeping the average ones where they are. In some ways this spreadsheet is MORE compressed than it is now.
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I only bought J35XS since its Finnish, turned out to be a good grinder, did the whole Finnish line with it.
Now its just useless, even the MiG-21BIS is better. I just wish both got their appropriate weapons from Finnish service.
Tho the J35XS should have been tech tree plane anyway.
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The J-35XS will play after the edits if it stays at 10.7 and is not touched. There are always 6 launches of false thermal targets and there are no all-angle missiles.
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F-20A is effectively an EJ Kai with less missiles.
EJ Kai is not a gen 3 aircraft, at minimum it is gen 3.5. It has 4x 9Ls, 4x 7F/M, with an F-16 radar set.
IDK why one F-16A is 12.7, but it’s 9Ls only which isn’t great for the BR where everyone’s slinging pulse-dopplar meta radar missiles.
And F-4S has a pulse-dopplar radar with AIM-7Fs; It’s effectively an F-14A that turns less.
Nobody playing the Tornado is a statistic on its own. It means no one wants to go through one of the most painful stock grinds in war thunder only to end up at the bottom of the list anyway since you can’t compete with the top dogs even when spaded.
Why the hell is the gripen at 13.0, the same br as the regular f16A. Unless the aim 9m is removed, this is horrible. It faces mirage f1s and phantoms. And why is the thailand f5e the same as the regular f5e even though its the same flight model, but it gets 2 all aspect 40g missiles and 2 aim 9l equivalents, while the regular one just gets two aim 9j.
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