Hello everybody. I would like to suggest one of the American reverse Lend-Lease aircraft: the reputable de Havilland Mosquito NF.30. This variant served with the USAAF’s 416th Night Fighter Squadron in Italy after replacing the unit’s Beaufighters, and it continued to operate until hostilities in Europe came to an end.
Sources
Mosquito N.F. Mk. 30 Aircraft Data Sheet (01/05/1944)
The de Havilland Mosquito by M. J. Hardy (1984)
Aircraft No. 139: Mosquito in Action Part 2 (1993)
I believe all the F-22s in USAF service also have 1 air to air kill, and that was a weather balloon, so the F-22 has no historical relevance and should not be added either.
Mosquito NF.30 operated by USAAF was lesser known, way less than USAAF-operated Beaufighters, I believe, so I can argue this one qualifies. Since the gap is already filled because of the P-61 Black Widow is already presented in the tree, I can argue for this aircraft to be made as a premium, event, or BP reward, so the players can skip this over. This aircraft is already interesting enough for other players, given that it was an example of some super-rare American reverse Lend-Lease aircraft.
sure I can, if a plane needs a high kill record to be relevant, then it needs a high kill record to be relevant. Claiming one dose and one doesn’t simply because you want one in the game and the other not is simply hypecritical
Ok then. Tell me, how do you feel about the Focke-Wulf Ta 154 A-1, comparable to the Mosquito NF.30, in terms of the role? Last time I checked, it got no air victories at all, according to some sources.
Yeah. But: In this context this won’t change anything as gaijin spreads c+p vehicles across all trees.
Mate - don’t get me wrong: I like your proposals in general - but a fighter with a single kill is not really convincing.
In case we would have actual night fighters like the Defiant or the Blenheim implemented - be my guest.
Kill record is the most important result of a fighter - if you would split the MM between ww2 service with “impact” and ww2 service without a kill or being postwar we would have way more interesting matches.
No Spit F 22 & 24, no Bearcats, no F4U-4bs, no A7M2s , no Yak-3Us etc - you might get the point.
Don’t try to think for others.
WT earns money with jets - no question that the F-22 will be added.
WW 2 in itself was an event with fixed dates and more or less accurate combat results. A fighter in a target rich environment scoring one kill in total is not relevant.
Idc about Ta 154 as they are not creating fights Ta 154s vs Ta 154s. If you have friends playing SB you are aware of the identification “challenges”.
I despise the c+p slop - i can’t wait to see a German P-51B/C or other nonsense. Gaijin kills this game with this BS.
Which you seem to think should be applied to the Mozzie but not the F-22, which is hypercritical
I know it will, I’m pointing out how silly it is to argue a vehicle should not be added due to it’s kill record, especially when there a things in the game that where never armed, never mind used in combat.
There are plenty of arguments for not adding unnecessary copy paste to the TT’s but a vehicles combat record isn’t one of them.
I am still not convinced by this argument, my guy. We can list every other in-game vehicle with no or very few kills, not enough to be “historically relevant” for the game, according to you. Suddenly, we can see this as a very problematic topic to talk about.
How is this negative? I want to see those implemented as well, and I am genuine about it.
Nice job evading my original point. Respectfully, you shifted your argument from “it lacks historical relevance” to “I don’t want to see copy-paste vehicles fighting each other.” While that point can be valid, the blame ultimately falls on Gaijin’s executives and planning team, since vehicle additions are usually decided years in advance.
Sounds like a good and solid idea to me. You should make a suggestion for that proposal. I wouldn’t mind playing that kind of gamemode, but I don’t want other fighters to be effectively deleted from the game and removed from standard Air RB matches just because they achieved little to no combat records historically.
Absolutely not. That would cause far more damage to the game, especially for minor nations that rely on imported or domestic fighters with unimpressive combat records.
Reducing the historical relevance of a WWII fighter solely to whether it achieved an air kill is an extremely shallow way of looking at aviation history, sorry.
By that logic, large portions of civil engineering and aerospace history would suddenly become “irrelevant.” Ships, aircraft, and vehicles are often historically significant because of what they represented technologically, not just because of combat statistics. Something can be historically important because it was the fastest, the largest, the most advanced, the first of its kind, or because it introduced revolutionary engineering concepts.
A fighter does not suddenly lose historical value because it never shot another aircraft down. Otherwise you could have the fastest, most technologically advanced, and arguably most beautiful WWII fighter ever built, and according to your logic it would never deserve inclusion simply because it was never combat deployed.
By your logic, F-22 should also be considered historically irrelevant because it has no confirmed air-to-air kills. You want to argue that the F-22 is historically unimportant?
And if the response suddenly becomes “well modern aircraft are different,” then the argument stops being about historical relevance and starts becoming selective standards.
So either combat kills are the universal standard for historical relevance, in which case many iconic vehicles suddenly become “irrelevant,” including F-22, or historical relevance is broader than just kill counts.
