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I would like to suggest the DB L 4500 A with 20mm Flakvierling 38, one of three mounted gunsystems.
What is it? Its just an big Truck with an Armor kit (like the Flakbus in game) and a Flak put on the loadingspace.
The vehicle is the DB L 4500 A, that stands for DB - Deimler Benz; L - Lastkraftwagen (Truck); 4500 - The loading capacity 4500 kg (well its 4685 for street useage and offroad 4085kg but anyway); A - Allrad (full wheel drive).
I am suggesting the DB variant, as the vehicle was also build by Büssig NAG (an NAG at the start instead of DB then), because the DB version looks better, is better and was also only used for the 5 cm Flak (if all 3 versions come to game Gaijin would only need 1 Vehicle model).
Main visual difference is in the Armor kit, the plate between the doors and the frontplate has 4 corners on the DB but only 3 on the NAG and the Vision hole for the Commander is bigger on the NAG
But also the engines are different. DB has an OM 67/4 engine with 112 HP while the NAG has an engine with only 105 HP. (Doesnt sound much, but its only a truck after all.)
Note: There were multiple models, i am suggesting with armor, metal construcktion and a bench behind the drivercabin and at the end of the cargospace. (Pictures are hard to come by, there were also wooden construction and some without benches, in which the ammo is also stored like on the Flakbus or Yak AA)
Then it also has a 20 mm Flakvierling 38 on the back, with gunshield. The same Gunsystem as on the Wirbelwind, but not yet in game in the normal style.
Why would i like to see it?
Its an cool 4 wheel truck AA (There are no Full Trucks in the german tree yet), which is faster than the other vehicles and has armor to withstand MG Fire, and even comes with 3 different guns ( 20mm Flakvierling 38, 3,7 cm Flak 36 and 5 cm Flak 41)
It will add the Backbone AA of germany with 2 Popular and well known guns and an very powerfull Gun. It will add a nimble and fast vehicle with good guns (well AA guns at that) and give a fast playstyle of which Germany doesnt have much (Light tanks and such)
So the gun is the usual 2 cm Flakvierling 38 made of 4x 2 cm Flak 38.
20mm 480 rpm 20r magazins. Around 3200 rounds, across the 2 banks.
Optionally additional ammo trailer.
Horizontal: 360° at 42°/sec (Aced, no crew)
Vertical: -10° +90° at 14°/sec (Aced, no crew)
20mm Flak 30/38 L/65
Picture Flak 30:
Picture Gebirgsflak 38:
The Gebirgsflak 38 is a lightweight version, which can be disassebled into 3 pieces to carry it by 3 solders.
The Mounting is also lightweight and has increased vertical traverse for fighting in the mountains.
Picture Flakvierling 38:
Ill put these 2 together cince they have the same L/65 barrle and the same 20x138mmB Rh ammo.
Caliber: 20mm
Ammo: 20x138mmB Rheinmetall
Fire Rate: 280 rpm (30) 480 rpm (38)
Magazinfed 20 rounds
Muzzle velocity: 800/830-1050 m/s
Weight: 450kg (30) 405(38) (around 64 and 56 kg KwK (30 and 38) alone)
1509kg (Vierling with trailer)
Mounts:
Flak 30 Lafette: -12°/-10° to +90°
Flak 38 Lafette: -20° to +90°
Flakvierling 38: -10° to +100°
Ammo Types: Ap-T, ApI-T, Aphe-T, APCR-T, He-I, HeI-T and HeI-T (m) (And self destruct)
AP:
Pzgr. L'Spur. o.Zerl. (Ph.) (ApI-T) 0,148kg 800m/s 37mm/10m
Note: Used against ground targets. Soft and armored. 3g White Phosphor Core. Were fully replaced by the empty ones and later .Zerl in the Desert and other hot places, as the phosphorus had a nasty tendency to self ignite in hot weather. The “Ph.” marked ones were standard with the filler, however they also existed with an “O.” which indicated they didnt have a filler and were only 143g (and 830m/s).
Pzgr. L'Spur o.Zerl. (O.) (Ap-T) 0,143kg 830m/s 38,71mm/10m
Note: Used against ground targets. Soft and armored. White stenciled “O.” (ohne/without) indicated empty projectiles.
Pzgr. L'Spur zerl. (Aphe-T Sd) 0,148 kg 800m/s 2,4g Pent 35mm/10m
Note: Against ground and air tragets. Soft and armored.
It does NOT have a fuze, the filler is for self destruction, in game it would also explode upon impact when shattering, like the japanese 30mm Aphe.
Pzgr.40 L`Spur. o.Zerl. (HVAP-T) 0,100kg 1050m/s 62g core 12x45mm 50mm/10m
Note: Only used against heavy armored targets, where the standart Ap ammo does not penetrate.
(There were 3-4 generations, with ever increasing length and slightly weight, to improve stability.)
Pzsprgr. L'Spur o.Zerl. (Aphe-T) 0,148 kg 800m/s 3,6g Pent 33mm/10m
Note: Mainly (?) used by the Navy and only against ground targets.
Pzsprgr. L'Spur m.Zerl. (Aphe-T Sd) 0,121 kg 900m/s 3,6g Pent 33mm/10m
Note: Mainly (?) used by the Navy and against ground and air targets.
(This last picture is an adaption for the Mg151/20 and uses a different shorter tracer, which results in it beeing also a bit lighter)
He:
Sprgr. L`Spur. m.Zerl. (Hef-T Sd.) 0,120kg 900m/s 6,2g Pent (10,54g) 5mm/10m
Sprgr. Erd. o.L'Spur. o.Zerl. (Hef) 0,120kg 900m/s 11g Pent (18,7g)
Note: Only against groundtargets. Other name is Spr.Gr.39.
(Couldnt find the correct drawing, the Br.Sprgr. o.L’Spur is basically the same, just different filler with Zink.
Brsprgr. L'Spur m.Zerl. (Hefi-T Sd.) 0,120kg 900m/s 6,6g H.5 and Aluminium
Brsprgr. vk. L'Spur m.Zerl (Hefi-T Sd.) 0,120kg 900m/s 19g H.5 and Zink
Note: Against Air and Ground targets, reduced tracer length for increased filler. The full feight of the H.5 and Zink mixture is 19g, not the pure He filler.
(first drawing is either a earlier model or a slighly too short drawn capacity.)
(This italian drawing is more representative.)
Brsprgr. o.L'Spur. m.Zerl. (Hef-I Sd.) 0,120kg 900m/s 20g H.5 and Zink
Note: Against ground and air targets. No tracer at all to have a fully capacity He (H.5) and Incendary (Zink) mix. (Weight calculated by Killakiwi 7g H.5 13g Zink)
Minengeschoss:
M-Gesch. X m.Zerl (He-I (m) Sd.) 0,104kg 950m/s 25g HA 41 (40g)
M-Gesch. X L'Spur m.Zerl (HeI-T (m) Sd.) 0,109kg 950m/s 24g HA 41 (38,4g)
The other characteristics can be found in game on the Wirbelwind (its the same just with a 360° Shield)
And the Vehicle.
The DB L 4500 A (seen above)
Length 7860mm
Width 2350mm
Height 3345mm
Wheelbase 4600mm
Height from the ground 340mm
Waterdepth 800mm
Turningcyclediameter 19,3m (can someone tell me if that is good or bad?)
Carriengcapacity 4685 kg on the street and 4085 kg when driving offroad
Maximal allowed full weight 10400kg and 9800 kg offroad (I couldnt find the weight of the vehicles with armor and different guns, but cince they are all also seen offroad it wont be more than 9800kg)
Topspeed 66 kph and 43 kph offroad
112 Hp OM 67/4 engine (Diesel) at 2250 rpm 350 nm at 2250 rpm
The armor is similar to that on the Flakbus, its called Behilfspanzerung (Supportarmor or so) so 10-14,5 mm armor and on the Gun is the usual 8-10mm shield.
Sources:
Frank, Reinhard: Mercedes im Kriege – Personenwagen, Lastkraftwagen, Sonderaufbauten. Podzun-Pallas-Verlag, Dorheim. 1985.
Ware, Pat: The Illustrated Guide to Military Vehicles: A complete reference guide to over 100 years of military vehicles. Anness Publishing – Hermes House. London. 2010
Jean-Denis G.G. Lepage: German Military Vehicles of World War II: An Illustrated Guide to Cars, Trucks, Half-Tracks, Motorcycles, Amphibious Vehicles and Others. McFarland, 2007.
Werner Oswald: Kraftfahrzeuge der Reichswehr, Wehrmacht und Bundeswehr, Motorbuchverlag, Stuttgart 1970
H.Dv. 381 /2 Munition der 2 cm Waffe