Enough with the baiting, the change is made; it’s done.
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Yup, they nuked it for duels. Normal matches though, it’s still quite good
@DirectSupport Is it possible with the today change on Rafale, that maybe another thing was “nuked” accidentally because of the spaghetti code shenanigans ?
Not likely
As Mig_23M said, not likely if we don’t see it in the datamines.
Still decent in duels, not shabby by any means.
nah it was nuked it went from best plane to 4th or 5th place for dueling
totally unplayable now /s
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its like 8th according to willie walrus, slightly worse than a 16ADF. Anyhow rafale still has MICA/Magic 2 with a HMD so like…
That’s not the issue IRL F16 get mogged by RAF. So either F16A FM need a nerf and everybody it really quiet about the subject beccause F16 are not French planes or the nerf was uncalled for/too hard compared to what it should’ve been to make it realistic.
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there is a diffence between the F-16C and the F-16A because the US has that habbit of making their planes significantly heavier with every upgrade they do
for example the F-15, would you say the F-15E is a better dogfighter than the F-15A?
Well the F-16 still needs a nerf and its been reported for a long while now and still not fixed. But it’s also the case that the Rafale is still underperforming in terms of not just its systems but also its flight model.
Just so you know, when the F-16 gets nerfed, so will basically every single plane at top tier. They basically shot down all reports on it’s massive overperformance by saying because they don’t model FCS, the F-16 will overperform very generously. (Very dumb ik) So when they model FCS, the F-16 will be massively nerfed, but so will mostly everything else above 12.3. All FBW aircraft will get pretty insane nerfs, and possibly stuff like the Mig-29 and F-15 will get nerfs too because of their similar systems.
Precisely.
Except they already do model the FCS apparently from an accepted report especially for newer aircrafts , so the F-16 is the odd one out still.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/EhbZlhGQj3mK
rafale gets nerfed cuz it was obviously overperforming
“Yea but the flight model is still underperforming”
What’s your source to say it’s underperforming and in what
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The developers are using thrust curves of an M88 engine that is rated at an uninstalled static thrust 7,500kgf. This is what they have said themselves.
But the actual Rafale engine is using an uninstalled thrust of 7,711kgf.
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Yea sure, what’s your source though
Rafale specifications and performance data 7500kgf (16534lb/73kN)uninstalled
https://www.safran-group.com/products-services/m88-proven-performance-and-reliability 16500lbs (7484 kgf/73kN) uninstalled
The sources are Snemca, the manufacturer of the engine themselves.
@DirectSupport neither of this specify the rafale engine having 7700 kgf of thrust uninstalled like you said.
From what im reading here max is 7500.
Snecma:
https://www.safran-group.com/products-services/m88-proven-performance-and-reliability
Dassault:
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