In order to get us back on track I brought some Egyptian Rafales
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The F-15E has 20x GBU-39/B, in future that may well be extended to the, 39A/B (Laser SBD-I) GBU-53/B or AGM-187A/B.
let alone the potential for 13x (15x) CBU-105 / -103 and other ordnance that the F-15E(X) could use to ruin ground forces days if they are ever implemented.
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TBH they should give Brimstone at least limited F&F capability
Make it F&F but also make it defeatable by smoke grenades, if you think it will be too OP.
It might not be 100% realistic, but it’s at least better than not giving it any F&F capability at all …
It could be explained by the smoke grenades also having chaff mixed in them or something … (For example IIRC naval ships can deploy chaff along with smoke)
Isn’t that a thing most modern tanks actually have?
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We know that it was deployed at some point, as to if it remains in inventory is unknown.
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From all emitting on-board radar devices only radars can be detected by RWRs.
MAWs, radar altimeters, doppler nav radars (for ground speed measurement) and others are not detected by RWRs due the gameplay reasons. They also can’t be switched off in the game, which doesn’t allow players to switch between better situation awareness and “better stealth”.
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In this case Rafale should receive both Optic and Radar MAW as when a missile is detected by the DDM NG, Rafale sensor fusion uses AESA antenas used for jamming to get the missile position and JAM it. Considering in game jamming still doesn’t exist it should at least get the capability to track precisely incoming missiles detected by the DDM NG.
Hello @k_stepanovich,
Unlike radar-based MAWS, aircrafts in top-tier generally all use radar altimeters, doppler nav radars so there’s no advantage going to any particular nation or particular aircraft if they are or aren’t modeled to be detected.
However, aircrafts with radar-based MAWS are few and far in-between and do not have their disadvantages modeled compared to aircrafts with IR-based MAWS. The disadvantages with radar-based MAWS being that they’re susceptible to signal intercept as well as diminished range from jamming although jamming is not in the game.
If radar-based MAWS are not going to have their disadvantages modeled, will there be a consideration to removing disadvantages of IR-based MAWS? IR-based MAWS have the disadvantages of:
- Being susceptible to flares and missiles of false-alarm
- Diminished capacity due to inclement weather
- Diminished range against burnt-out missiles
Your position would be consistent if the disadvantages of IR-based MAWS are not modeled. Further, if necessary, why not implement a keybind to switch it off in-game? And for the most part, the Praetorian DASS MAWS operates in K-band which most aircrafts cannot detect and this should lessen the issue:
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It does not make sense and nor is it fair to have multiple disadvantages of IR-based MAWS intricately modeled in full details while ignoring the biggest disadvantage of radar-based MAWS.
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Anyway, that’s an interesting figure for F-35’s DAS. Though not suprising to be honest.
Will be funny to see that come to game eventually.
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boy i sure do love the Rectangle
Rafale wrong low speed lift characteristics
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/Dha2IWlFvHU0
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Wait, I thought we didn’t have any source for the DASS-Band?
Sources do exist, just hard to find and are out there and so it requires time/resources to obtain. Did you look at the attached files in my post?
If this gets added, it honestly seems more annoying than anything. I can’t wait to fly my Rafale or EF just to be spammed with random EF MAWS RWR warnings all match (ontop of the usual RWR spam), sounds like just absolute peak gameplay. I don’t see how this would help any plane outside of maybe Sim.
So, I honestly don’t understand why this should even become a feature. As you’ve pointed out, it’s a niche addition requiring extra work for both implementation and research. Your own source describes detection at range as “practically negligible,” so what effective range do you realistically expect RWR to pick up radar-based MAWS emissions? If Gaijin genuinely considers adding this, I’d implore them to use resources on actually meaningful issues instead of this.
In short, it seems like a lot of work for very little return, work that would be better spent fixing existing issues rather than adding new niche features.
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Honestly no, just saw it was Turkish and didn’t bother reading further cause I don’t speak Turkish xD
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For gameplay purposes, your RWR would only pick up the EF MAWS if they were in your near general vicinity, and the EF is one of those aircrafts you’d def want to keep your eyes on if they were in your general vicinity. The detection range of the MAWS would be diminished compared to that of more powerful radars.
Further, if developers can take the time out of their day to do the “extra work” for both implementation and research for the disadvantages of IR-based MAWS, they certainly can do so for radar-based MAWS. In fact, the implementation is already here just instead on fighter aircraft radars.
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in sim it would be incredible for the Rafale (especially if they add one day the mechanics of firing the MICAs using the RWR, it would allow firing the Eurofighters regardless of their position around the Rafale)
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At the ranges where I’d realistically expect this to even function (~5km), you’d already be close enough to mark an EF anyway. Sure, it’ll alert you that “something is there,” but by that point, the EF pilot is either already locking onto you or close enough to be easily visible. I don’t really see the practical benefit beyond stating the obvious. And if the detection range extends beyond ~10 km, it’ll just clutter your RWR with unnecessary spam. Sure, there might be a middle ground, but I doubt it’ll be genuinely useful either way.
let’s be honest, if the developers genuinely put dedicated effort into MAWS, it wouldn’t have taken an entire major update just to get DASS to ignore flares. We all know they simply copy-pasted existing MAWS (along with all its weaknesses) onto the EF and Rafale, then called it a day. :P
I need to do more testing, but my understanding is that radars emission ranges are further away than their detection ranges for fighter aircrafts. The emissions should moreso be detected around 15km. And because the MAWS is stationed all around the aircraft, even if the EF is facing away from you, its emissions could be picked up making pinpointing its location much easier to do. That is, if it didn’t turn off its MAWS. But then there’s the trade-off that you become susceptible to IR missiles if you turn off your MAWS.
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Yes, just tested. The emissions range of radars exceed the detection range of the radars. ADATs is capped to maximum of 30km in search range for fighter aircrafts but is still detected outside of that 30km.
Similarly, the EF MAWS detection range for missiles is around 10km however the range for fighter aircrafts goes up quite a bit. The emissions range for the EF is somewhere around 20km.