Dassault Rafale - Variants, Characteristics, Armament and Performance

[luque13]

@Mulatu_Astatke

Unlike ASRAAM or IRIS-T, Mica IR will be immune to anything short of spectral flares. This means immunity to even BOL flares. Then there’s also the Mica NGs to come…

ASRAAM has a new seeker head, but again you would be silly to think every jet that faces these missiles will not have Spectral/Smart countermeasures.

@Mulatu_Astatke

I doubt Captor-E will come anytime soon. There’s not enough info on it. For example, Eurofighter mains don’t have a single source for its range.

Agreed it’s very new should be on par with what the Rafale has or superior being that is 2020 technology similar to the APG-81

@Mulatu_Astatke

Rafale is still missing its electronic warfare capability, such as the ability to jam radars.

As are many aircraft, it’s not something in game currently. Or boy would I have fun jamming Radars in my Tornado F.3

@Mulatu_Astatke

Rafale’s DDM NG has been reported to have at least three times the range (>27km) compared

3 times the range isn’t really an accurate figure though. I don’t doubt again being newer it isn’t superior. Typhoons is modelled incorrectly though and the limited information confirms 60± Azimuth and we have 40± modelled in game.

[quartas121]

@luque13

Agreed it’s very new should be on par with what the Rafale has or superior being that is 2020 technology similar to the APG-81

Newer does not always equal better than counterparts

[luque13]

Generally in technology terms it does.

[Mulatu_Astatke]

My understanding is that Rafale’s electronic warfare suite is far more extensive. But I’d have to quote someone else for anything further.

[quartas121]

@Mulatu_Astatke

spectral flares

Any examples of these that could be added?

[luque13]

58559.pdf

UK – Chemring Group PLC

[Mulatu_Astatke]

Rafale has them. I don’t know about any other planes. I don’t know much about planes in general.

[luque13]

Typhoon does

[quartas121]

Ok, then why isn’t F-22A (in service 2005) in-game and lower BR than Su-30SM (in service 2013)

Since tech is better if it’s newer

Right?

[Mulatu_Astatke]

Has it been introduced on Eurofighters yet?

[Fireball_2020]

[luque13]

We are not talking about in game but likely real world performance of a brand new Radar system.

F-22 is a freak of nature but in 2005 configuration it’s sensors are outdated compared to todays Rafale or even a Typhoon.

The brand new Captor E or whatever name it is going by will be expected to have similar performance to current in service AESA radars. Otherwise what’s the point?

[WereCat888]

also there’s this return form i assume pilots have to fill when returning and there’s both mtv and spectral flares as options: Weapons and Expendable Stores Daily Flight Return (DFR)

[luque13]

Certainly looks like it

[quartas121]

Off the links @luque13 posted (thanks)

Basically everyone can get them

[luque13]

yeah designed to work in universal dispensers

[quartas121]

@luque13

F-22 is a freak of nature but in 2005 configuration it’s sensors are outdated compared to todays Rafale or even a Typhoon.

Well, that’s a 20 year difference. Compared to a 2006 or 2007 typhoon or Rafale the 22 is still generally more advanced

[Mulatu_Astatke]

Yes, it turns out this is the case.

Would be interesting to see how they are implemented nonetheless.

[quartas121]

I think a major countermeasure/radar/IR rework would be a really, really cool update

[Mulatu_Astatke]

Eh, from what little I’ve seen, the F-22’s radar is a different animal compared to the Rafale’s RBE2-AA. So I wouldn’t go making assumptions.

Considering how long it’s taken for the Eurofighter to receive an AESA radar, either Captor-E is the AESA radar to end all radars, or the consortium is simply behind the competition.

Then again, the issue arises that there’s simply not enough info on Captor-E to introduce it in game anyway.