ASRAAM will be worse than Mica IRs. So this Indian version would be a downgrade to be honest.
Well even if they do that, a missile does not make an aircraft go to one tree or another, event jaguar use magic 2 for example, there is a mirage (not in game) that use russian missiles and it would not lead it to go to russia, and anyway mica ir will always be superior to asraam, i have no clue if it’s even cheaper while not having datalink (and no purple flames too !).
We dont know the upgrades for the Block 3 ASRAAM.
If they give it DL like the CAMM then the performance will be similar.
Unless it’s a premium why would it go to France what would it add over the F.4 which would already be in the tech tree?
So until anyone knows, it won’t be modelled. Therefore, Mica IR will be the better missile.
There’s also insufficient info for Mica IR NG, but it is again most certainly the superior missile.
It would bring different loadout options and would have a special camo, no need to think much honestly.
There are some premium/event vehicles which are copypaste of the tech tree tanks etc.
This report will be nice to see if they can fix it by patch day.
Even if that is the case it wont be by much. Both have stated similar ranges and top speeds. MICA IR having DL is the real advantage here.
Mica IR also has a much better seeker. Mica IR NG will have an even better seeker than anything the UK could produce.
There is a reason France is in charge of development of the IR seeker for Franco-British generation-after-next missile studies.
Going into the nitty gritty, it would really depend on which one has the better flare rejection seeker (and I don’t know enough on either of them), but data link is going to be a major helper for the missiles that gets it. Especially in air realistic where everyone flares all the time to evade other missiles. In simulator they might perform more similarly
Idk if you could do 50km launch without datalink, in close fight it will be the same, but if you begin to do a max range shot i don’t believe you could even launch it to start with or it would be with irst and you would still not give it information if the target is slightly maneuvering.
Atleast in close fight one has thrust vectoring if both people hide behind mountains until they merge with each other.
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Produced by different divisions within the same company. MBDA are producing a new seeker for ASRAAM and no longer using the 9X one that was originally installed on the missile.
This tit for tat is going nowhere, so if the MICA EM/IR is superior in real world scenarios it wont be by much and ingame it will be less.
It has lock on after launch I imagine using Pirate you find the target and send the missile using Pirates data. Then the missile when it gets into range will use it’s own seeker. Because in an ideal world the jet you have shot at will not be aware and not take corrective action.
Yeah no. Missile seekers for France are developed by Safran (or Thales) under the direction of the DGA.
Missile seekers for the UK would be produced most likely by Selex.
The difference in capabilities between the two companies is night and day.
PIRATE can’t provide sufficient accuracy for missile lock on.
Well, it can provide direction, and with some pretty complex maneuvers, might provide a somewhat representative range. Even without range, you can still try to bulldog a missile towards the threat, but that’s less efficient than modern guidance of fox 3 missiles, which the MICA IR can take advantage of. I wonder how this would affect ranges of both missiles
Edit : yeah MBDA is not responsible for the seekers of any in service French missile, I would expect it to be the same for others
That’s not correct, PIRATE can provide positional data to allow ASRAAM and Meteor to be employed.
Both have LOAL.
You make SELEX sound like a tiny operation forgetting they have decades of experience and have been involved with numerous cuttng edge projects involving optical systems.
It can only do so by maneuvering and trying to triangulate the target relative to the plane. I don’t think it’s sufficient to give a « good » positional data, meaning I’m very unconvinced the LOAL is anywhere close to being efficient
According to the UK’s Defence Research Agency, the kinematic ranging algorithm can only guarantee an accuracy of within 20% for ranges of up to 100km. I’ve already made sure to pass this information to the devs.
It’s very questionable how effective it would be for launching missiles. In reality, its mostly used to estimate the range to the target via passive means and identify the threat, then the Eurofighter would become ‘active’ to engage the target.
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That wasnt the discussion point, it was PIRATE cannot provide the data for ASRAAM.
Meteror is designed to LOAL and even loiter.
ASRAAM is designed for long range and short. However more modern MAWS and protection systems are going to significantly reduce that capacity.