Dassault Rafale - Variants, Characteristics, Armament and Performance

Where does that even come from lmao.
Down low, the seakers work exactly the same way. You can loft the MICA, maybe, but it maneuvers so hard the lift will be minimal, unless you are yourself at higher altitude, in which case the aim120 lofts just as well. The only difference is that the lower explosive mass of the MICA makes it less likely to get a kill in multipath.
Otherwise, you’d be comparing maneuverability, in which case being low or high strictly does not matter.

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120 doesn’t pull as hard as a MICA off the rail which is why low down and close range it is inferior to both the MICA and the R-77. The 120 will often fly into the ground even when shot from above and lofted to a target.

This discussion is going nowhere. Rafale is superior in many aspects Typhoon is better in some. There is a reason Rafale is the most played jet.

Lol

Never pretended anything, just said I don’t really feel like engaging with you as I know how this goes. Have a good one

Intellectually dishonest he says

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does key driver mean best in class?

I don’t believe so. My understanding of the term 'key driver’is that it means ‘to have a significant impact on [insert context]’. For example, “the F-22’s powerful engines are a key driver to its supercruise ability” or in an unrelated context “the increase in the marketing team’s size was a key driver for the growth in sales”.

In this context, ‘key driver’ makes very little sense. I would say the intention of the Eurofighter consortium is to obfuscate the performance of the F-22; therefore, making it seem like the Eurofighter is somehow the better plane. ‘Key driver’ is a very empty and meaningless term with how its been used here in my opinion - but hey, I’m not an English professor!

I would actually go so far as to say the F-22 has better supersonic manoeuvrability and supercruise performance than EFT, but the consortium just doesn’t want to admit it.

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yeah, it really doesnt make sense.

last part is not something you have to go very far to say, the lowest stated supercruise figures for F-22 put it above the Eurofighter.

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Good interview here with a pilot that has flown and is qualified on both machines.

Seems pretty impressed with the Typhoons power and thrust…

I really dont understand the toxicity from a few members of the Rafale community to anything that Eurofighter GmbH claim.

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In this context “key driver” can be defined as:

a primary factor or goal that influences the decisions made throughout the design process.

So the table is saying that both the Eurofighter and the F-22 were designed with a heavy emphasis on having High Supersonic Manoeuvrability (which is true).

Likewise with supercruise they are saying that the Eurofighter can supercruise, but for the F-22 supercruise was a key part of the design (i.e. implying that it is better at it - which is also true).

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So I was having aa quick Look at the rafale for sim/first person CAS/bombing runs. It appears that the Rafale currently uses a very archaic CCRP for laser bombs, as, for exemple, to drop a GBU, you need to point the HUD towards the target to get the CCRP circle, while other top tiers have a more “realistic mode CCRP” that is far more usable. Does anyone have any information on the Rafales CCRP, so that It could be reported (I did not see it in the first post reports list).
Also, for some very weird reason, all of the Rafale’s laser guided weapons are missing time to hit, even in TPOD view, which is not the case for other planes, such as the EFT that came I the same update. Has a report been done about it ? If not, I’ll make one when I have time

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Ohhh it’s this one. Thanks. That’s weird it still is not implemented. Maybe they have some issues with the flight path of the AASM, but they should at least add it for GBUs

Edit : which does not make sense since hellfires and brimstones have pretty decent time to hit estimations

Tbh, just rush SBU-38 and call it a day, you wont need any of the other Bombs unless you want to strike convoys - even though I leave convoys for F-15E, F-16 or EFT players depending in which Team I am at the moment.

its still kind of funny how they are trying to compare it to a jet explicity not allowed to be exported.

maybe they were afraid of backlash from Dassault, since i dont think Lockheed would care that much.

is this french name for JDAM or just coincidence of numbers?

NATO designation for AASM with GNSS guidance.

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Already have the plane spaded. It’s mostly for when I use the center bomb that CCRP is nice to have.
Also time to hit estimations is useful for the central bomb but also when I want to use the SBU54 in GRB (not enough SP for 64, or because there are to many dead bodies around the enemies, so 64 will lock undesired targets).
Time to hit for SBU54 would be especially interesting for long range shots using GNSS and switching to laser at the correct time. Currently because it’s so slow its pretty hard to estimate

SBU 38 is the GNSS only AASM

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Thats also an interesting use case.

That’s basically how the EFT uses brimstones to its max potential. GPS map marker, fly low towards the ground map, fire a few brimstones in GPS mode. When they are 5s from hitting, pull up and activate laser designator, re-aim if necessary. That allows the Eft to be below Pantsir and other SAMs coverage for most of the time

Idk why you were flagged, but since I see the entirety of your message from my mail notification, i can answer.
Both anti air are pretty uncommon at top tier, especially the strela. Even then, I don’t find them very hard to flare especially when you fly low to the ground, since those SAM really shine against high flying targets. I think I can personally count on one hand the amount of time I’ve been killed by 81C since they have been introduced, considering their rarity for exemple