How does saying “EFT > Rafale” pertain to the Rafale more than the Typhoon? And what even are EuroBros
If you say it enough, then it must be true! Here’s another example: https://web.archive.org/web/20121102122645/http://www.eurofighter.com/fileadmin/web_data/downloads/extpub/02_5thGenFighter.pdf
(I’ll stop now, it’s become off-topic)
Also, a video of a guy smoking everyone with a plane is no proof that said plane is the best. The skill actually matters and some guy who mastered the Rafale could probably make the exact same video
I’m not even questioning your opinion, I don’t play top tier. But your proof doesn’t look like proof to me
Imagine this:
A bunch of F-15 fans are saying the F-15 is weak and the F-16 is way better. You believe the F-15 is better than the F-15, would you rather post your beliefs in the F-15 thread where you will get 15 replies calling you an idiot or in the F-16 thread where people agree with you?
Eurofighter Fanatics who can’t accept truth
The Rafale pilot is the best top tier duelist in the game
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that’s fair I guess
Best jet in game, certainly one of!
Lets break that down, I watched the video and yes in a clean jet guns only fight Typhoon wins.
BVR - Typhoon edges it with a superior missile only edges it though as the Rafales Radar is massively superior.
Medium range - Rafale all day long, MICA and the best Radar. Typhoon has to work hard to dodge TVC MICAS and get 120 shots off.
Short range - Rafale again the combination of MICA and Magic 2 makes the difference
High altitudes - Typhoons superior performance gives it the edge.
Low altitude - Rafale MICA are much harder to defeat at lower altitudes. 120s are so easy to multipath.
Ground battles - Remove the player markers and the Typhoons Radar inequity becomes huge. The nature of ground battles Rafale is better suited to the short to medium range engagements.
Ground attack ordinance ASM fnf missiles while Rafale carries fewer than a Typhoon they are superior. Thats not to say Brimstone is bad. Brimstone will become more useful when tanks start to receive APS on mass.
Us “Eurobros” worry that to Gaijin the Typhoon is great so why spend the energy to fix the Radar.
Su-30 is coming and shortly after a new F-15 with an AESA Radar. Eurobros are going to have to wait for a new Typhoon with an AESA!
Both jets are very closely matched the Rafale is the more refined of the two.
It depends of gaijin, no one can do much about it.
They both multipath in the exact same way tho. Just like every radar missiles in game. 50m.
Actually, the lower explosive mass of the MICA makes it worse at low altitude than the AIM120, because it is less likely to kill when near miss
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It really only needs a radar fix, although I’ve been playing the EJ KAI recently and that ghosts a ton too. It’s more a whole game needs a fix thing.
You asked for comparisons, I gave you comparisons. Just goes to show how hypocritical you are.
Oh so you knew about it and pretended not to? Not only are you hypocritical, you’re intellectually dishonest as well.
A 120 down low is very easy to defeat there is a world where a MICA lofted has more chance of hitting the jet.
If I’m down low in the Typhoon I’m trying to use the 9M.
The MICA is superior in the head on regime at low altitude too.
It does a Radar fix is all the EF players want, Yes Gaijin have changed a code I think it’s to allow any SPAA/SAM to be able to target and destroy missiles/bombs.
In doing this it appears they have changed the RCS of missiles. Radars in TWS mode try to lock missiles and not the aircraft that shot them. Typhoon (and others) is the refresh rate in TWS mode. You simply have to use the Radar in the narrow scope and hope if you are planning on BVR get there faster and loose your missiles before they shoot theirs.
Where does that even come from lmao.
Down low, the seakers work exactly the same way. You can loft the MICA, maybe, but it maneuvers so hard the lift will be minimal, unless you are yourself at higher altitude, in which case the aim120 lofts just as well. The only difference is that the lower explosive mass of the MICA makes it less likely to get a kill in multipath.
Otherwise, you’d be comparing maneuverability, in which case being low or high strictly does not matter.
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120 doesn’t pull as hard as a MICA off the rail which is why low down and close range it is inferior to both the MICA and the R-77. The 120 will often fly into the ground even when shot from above and lofted to a target.
This discussion is going nowhere. Rafale is superior in many aspects Typhoon is better in some. There is a reason Rafale is the most played jet.
Lol
Never pretended anything, just said I don’t really feel like engaging with you as I know how this goes. Have a good one
Intellectually dishonest he says
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does key driver mean best in class?
I don’t believe so. My understanding of the term 'key driver’is that it means ‘to have a significant impact on [insert context]’. For example, “the F-22’s powerful engines are a key driver to its supercruise ability” or in an unrelated context “the increase in the marketing team’s size was a key driver for the growth in sales”.
In this context, ‘key driver’ makes very little sense. I would say the intention of the Eurofighter consortium is to obfuscate the performance of the F-22; therefore, making it seem like the Eurofighter is somehow the better plane. ‘Key driver’ is a very empty and meaningless term with how its been used here in my opinion - but hey, I’m not an English professor!
I would actually go so far as to say the F-22 has better supersonic manoeuvrability and supercruise performance than EFT, but the consortium just doesn’t want to admit it.
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yeah, it really doesnt make sense.
last part is not something you have to go very far to say, the lowest stated supercruise figures for F-22 put it above the Eurofighter.
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Good interview here with a pilot that has flown and is qualified on both machines.
Seems pretty impressed with the Typhoons power and thrust…
I really dont understand the toxicity from a few members of the Rafale community to anything that Eurofighter GmbH claim.
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In this context “key driver” can be defined as:
a primary factor or goal that influences the decisions made throughout the design process.
So the table is saying that both the Eurofighter and the F-22 were designed with a heavy emphasis on having High Supersonic Manoeuvrability (which is true).
Likewise with supercruise they are saying that the Eurofighter can supercruise, but for the F-22 supercruise was a key part of the design (i.e. implying that it is better at it - which is also true).
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