LMAO the gift that keeps on giving
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People here are making so much report and nothing get added to the game, the most basic stuff that should have uptaded hasn’t been yet, like information missing on the HUD.
Wonder how long it will take to all be implemented
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It seems that they do disable on-board optics since the addition of the Harrier GR.7, and have attempted multiple times to fix having dual optics with no luck. I was previously unaware of this. Oh well.
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When are they going to fix the HUD and MFDs on the rafale
Is there a bug report that was made for the missing display functions?
The devs returned from holiday this week.
We can expect some bug reports on the rafale coming as soon as the end of the week, or in the next it’s fixed. I can’t say if we are going to get rafale specific fixes, especially HUD tho.
I do however expect a general radar fix for. the newer radars in game. We will see
Hello, has there been a recent bug report concerning the tear speed of the Rafale?
That topic has already been discussed extensively. The tear speed is correct. Community Bug Reporting System
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@DirectSupport good news and bad news regarding the IFF situation (depending on who you ask I suppose)
First off, I seem to have been wrong, so sorry about that. The IFF does seem to have its own antennas instead of piggy-backing on the radar like I was pretty sure it would.
That being said, I found the brochure from Thales regarding the TSB 2510 (the specific variant of the TSX 2500 the Rafale uses), and its emitting frequency of 1030MHz falls within the D band of radio frequencies, which means it should be able to be picked up by many RWR’s in-game, particularly if in an always on mode as your bug report would suggest it should act.
Furthermore, if you switch the webpage you quoted to french, it firstly still displays all the text in english (odd but funny bit I figured we could all laugh about) but it also specifies an interesting bit of information.
The Thales webpage about the Rafale specifies “interrogator antenna” singular, implying there is only one, but the brochure for TSB 2510 notes the output power to be 4x700w, suggesting 4 antennas. There are however pictures of the E-scan antenna in a 4 blade antenna form, as well as a singular conformal form, which is what I suspect the Rafale has, since I cant find any of the blade antennas on it.
Another interesting bit of info in the brochure is this:
“Provides target designated or sector scanned interrogation and reports.” Which may imply the IFF’s 2 modes still work mostly as I initially suspected they would, the target needs to be designated or the sector in which the target is needs to be scanned for the IFF to function. Since IFF’s do not designate, nor do they scan sectors to my knowledge, this could suggest the target would still need to be within the scan volume of the radar or other frontal sensors to operate.
So theres a bit of a branch in interpretations I could see here.
- The IFF systems is always on, providing the pilot with IFF info on allies at all times, but also rendering the aircraft detectable to D band RWR’s at all times.
- The IFF system is only on when tasked to IFF a target thats either been designated by or scanned over by another sensor, and therefore does not “always” provide friendly locations as you suggest.
I personally believe the second interpretation to be true, since the first one would be catastrophically idiotic for an aircraft thats put so much work into stealth, but at the same time, the second option caves your bug report in, so its a bit of a catch 22. I think the fact the antenna needs to be steered by the IFF also supports the second theory, in that it requires to be electronically pointed somewhere (like where another sensor is already looking).
Feel free to let me know if I’m missing something. There could also be some complicated radio-wizardry at play here that could allow it to always be on but not be picked up as well, but seeing as theres no info regarding said wizardry that I’ve yet found, its not really actionnable for bug reports.
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The tear/rip speed is not correct. Sources show that the Rafale’s low altitude and high altitude maximum speeds is given so as to make sure not to damage the ram coating on the intake. I suspect this is the same for the F-35 given its maximum speed of Mach 1.6 but likely could go much higher than Mach 1.6. The real truth however, is that the airframe structure allows for much higher speeds, with primary sources showing production Rafales having exceeded Mach 2 in a demonstrated flight. So we know the 750knots/Mach 1.8 max speed is not true. However, more sources will need to be collected before a report is made so this report is not coming anytime soon just yet.
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The IFF antennas on the Rafale could likely receive interrogation or information but choose not to respond back itself. There’s been nothing indicating that the Rafale explicitly uses the IFF antennas to necessarily communicate with other aircrafts, in fact primary sources show that the Rafale uses MIDS/Link 16 to communicate its own position to others. We know for sure that data received from the IFF antennas are fed into sensor fusion, and we also know for sure from primary sources that the Rafale uses L-band to communicate its own position with others for “internal cooperation” as the primary source puts it.
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Maybe it has all these antenna so when another aircraft that detects it on main radar sees it and interrogates it, it can respond from any direction. Same would go for Rafale itself, like you said
So it could still IFF from any direction, just that at some angles it’ll have to be initiated by another aircraft
Thats not how IFF works… IFF sends out an interrogation and the queried target either replies to said interrogation with the relevant required information based on the IFF mode, or does not reply/reply properly and “fails” the interrogation. The interrogation itself does not provide any info itself, as thats be incredibly idiotic to send out your aircrafts information to a potential threat. You’re just grasping at straws on that one.
Yes, thats the aforementioned datalink that is the reason as to why the Rafale has permanent all range 360 IFF ingame, same as the A-10C, same as the F-16C is supposed to have. Most top aircrafts in-game use datalink to communicate their positions and all info they’ve acquired to the general pool of friendly aircrafts. Thats the whole point of datalink.
Obviously it is, a correct IFF response can provide info on the aircraft type, number, mission, etc… itd be silly not to use said information.
Link-16 operates in the IEEE L-band (NATO/in-game D-band)
MIDS seems to operate in similar wavelengths as well. You’re quoting the datalink frequencies.
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Why couldn’t the Rafale receive an IFF interrogation which is fed into sensor fusion and then it is replied back through datalink/MIDS?
Its an interrogator transponder. It can send IFF interrogations and respond to them if interrogated. It does not have an IFF system only to respond to interrogations, nor do interrogations provide any real info on the interrogating aircraft. As stated above, itd be silly to just beam over info to an unknown target.
The whole point of an IFF system is to try to figure out if a contact is a friendly or a threat, you dont provide your info to something you do not know the nature of yet.
Because then it wouldnt need to have a transponder to respond to interrogations, and if it was connected to the aircraft via datalink, it wouldn’t need to be interrogated in the first place.
It wouldn’t need to respond back to the interrogations that is correct, without having to give away unnecessary emissions.
A source explicitly states that the Rafale’s external cooperation mechanism has it so that it receives locations of other targets(friendlies, hostile, neutrals) but solely uses internal cooperation (MIDS/Link 16) to communicate its own position within a patrol.
Rafale canopy missing line in middle // Gaijin.net // Issues
Rafale display missing enemy SAM lethality zones // Gaijin.net // Issues
Rafale cockpit RWR does not display the Eurofighter // Gaijin.net // Issues
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It would still need to interrogate the target for the IFF to provide any info. At this point you’re literally just saying the IFF serves no function at all in the Rafale.
To receive information via IFF, it needs to emit an IFF interrogation which the bogey will reply to if in fact a friendly, so for your bug report to make sense, it HAS to emit IFF interrogations anyways.
You’re now also strictly arguing against your own bug report, stating that the friendly location sharing solely done over datalink, which doesn’t “separate the bug report from datalink” like you initially said you wanted to do.
Also, of course it strictly uses MIDS/Link-16 while performing an operation with other known friendly assets, itd be idiotic to be bouncing around IFF interrogations and responses all the time between assets already supposed to be supporting each other and sharing much more info than simply their own positions. As I’ve already stated, the entire point of IFF is to interrogate a target you do not yet know is friendly, hostile or neutral for whatever reason.
To reply properly it would need to send out aircraft information.
Other forms of datalink can relay IFF information it does not need to rely on cooperative target recognition.
while RWRs can definitely detect this, i wouldn’t be so sure about them displaying it…