yeah, US jets had it since 1950’s. we really should have gotten that IFF stuff with the F-16C tbh. EW is pretty complicated though so i dont think theyll add it for a while anyways.
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Datalink IFF should either be added to all planes with datalink, or none. This situation where one fighter jet and 2 attackers get it and nobody else done is insane. Its also one of the big reasons I wasnt a fan of the Rafale getting the HMD it did in-game, since as I said, if the argument was “well it NEEDS an HMD for balance” they could’ve given it the 2 circle HMD as seen in the above Su-27SM screenshot, or seen on the M2K in-game and it would have been more than enough, but instead they gave it the single best HMD in-game, with magical pixie dust IFF function that nobody else gets to have for free.
As for EW, yeah its very complex, and more notably, the general player base of WT struggles to understand even basic radar missile combat and both IR and radar countermeasures, EW would likely be largely perceived as black magic, and a LOT of complaining would occur.
This can already be seen with the players that want EW added because “itll render radar missiles useless so we can get back to dogfights only!”
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absolutely, all that should be added to everything that had it, as well as air defence radar ground control like SAGE for F-89, as well as F-94, F-101, and F-106 (when they are added) + buffs for twin seaters with WSO like F-15E and F-14.
i think EW will come with 2 way DL missiles like the 120D and full TDL implementation, that will be harder to fool even with EW
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Three different primary sources consider the IFF interrogator as separate sensors from the datalink and radar.
The report should be implemented just based alone on the fact that the Rafale’s HMD can provide teammate locations already. I should include that in the report.
This was reported, yes.
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It is important that the Rafale gets certain IFF functions and features without getting bogged down in the whole datalink mess. Framing it as datalink is wrong, and would get the report denied.
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Bug reports for Rafales shouldn’t be used as a crusade for whatever agenda you may have, and whatever else is going on for other aircrafts.
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Thats because its its own piece and has its own functions, still needs a way to interrogate another aircraft at range, which requires the emission and/or reception of signals…
Right so magic pixie dust radar display cuz you already got the magic pixie dust HMD.
This is silly. The HMD IFF is already a datalink function as per the bug report I posted. The Rafale doesn’t have a magic IFF interrogator, and should not display IFF data it has not already acquired via emission and reception of signals. The fact it already has datalink IFF when nobody else gets to have it on a fighter is pushing it.
Its not an agenda lmao, you are blatantly misrepresenting the info in your sources to try to bug report your way into the Rafale getting an advantage it should not have, either knowingly, or through ignorance.
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then bug report it? so your planes get it?
you do know double rings is wrong. but also, why should the US and Britain be the only ones with accurate HMDs? i dont think you saw the hypocrisy there
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Could have fooled me
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Right, so how would it be incapable of maintaining IFF interrogation links with nearby friendly aircraft? The Eurofighter does not have this kind of sensor fusion or systems. It’s outdated legacy hardware compared to the Rafale’s kit.
Eurofighter is not as good as the Rafale, this is just a fact of life that one must accept. If you want the capabilities of a certain plane… go grind that plane. It’s what makes it unique.
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arent a lot of these IFF systems standardized on all NATO fighter jets? its pretty important to have
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You’d think so, but no. There are multiple methods of IFF and the NATO systems are legacy as I said. Most of it isn’t truly necessary due to modern NCTR and other systems though. The two-way datalink on latest AIM-120 and on the Meteor allow us to avoid accidental shoot downs in many cases but there is still risk.
Is suggesting the overload limit increase, radar be buffed, supercruise speed be increased, turn rate increased, AoA reduced, and more ordnance be added “hating” or are you just mad that I can speak objectively about an objectively terrible plane?
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as far as seeing it on HMD, what NATO jets can do this? and how are NATO IFF systems legacy?
Any display capable of putting target information on the HMD (primary function) should be able to also indicate IFF data. The means of IFF is what is the primary issue here, as most NATO jets rely on AWACS or other aircraft to do IFF for them.
The Rafale will use AWACS and datalink information for IFF but primarily determines friend or foe using the onboard sensors.
but what other aircraft have the onboard sensors to IFF?
Almost all aircraft flying today will have some sort of “interrogator” or often times, multiple.
The Rafale can use the dedicated IFF interrogator, radar, FSO system, SPECTRA, datalink, and even the MICA-IR’s infrared seeker as a form of target detection and then determine if that target is friend or foe with a variety or combination of those sensors.
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so for say, an F-15E/C, the IFF interrogator, radar, TEWS/RWR, and datalink would give it this same capability?
No, as far as I know the SB25A on the Rafale is the only IFF interrogator of its’ kind unless the F-22 or F-35 have something classified that we don’t know about;
And for anyone wondering it has come standard since F1 and has been upgraded since;
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what would stop US IFF transponders from being able to do this though? also, if you look at the IFF bullet point on the 2nd screenshot, it says IFF MK XII which is the same kind US aircraft have had since the 70’s, and was standardized by NATO in 2002 as MK XIIA
interestingly, it mentions electronic scan capability at the bottom
https://www.forecastinternational.com/archive/disp_pdf.cfm?DACH_RECNO=1408
here says that AESA F-15’s need the AESA IFF antenna, but the other PDF does say that its compatbile with M-scan radars