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arent a lot of these IFF systems standardized on all NATO fighter jets? its pretty important to have
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You’d think so, but no. There are multiple methods of IFF and the NATO systems are legacy as I said. Most of it isn’t truly necessary due to modern NCTR and other systems though. The two-way datalink on latest AIM-120 and on the Meteor allow us to avoid accidental shoot downs in many cases but there is still risk.
Is suggesting the overload limit increase, radar be buffed, supercruise speed be increased, turn rate increased, AoA reduced, and more ordnance be added “hating” or are you just mad that I can speak objectively about an objectively terrible plane?
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as far as seeing it on HMD, what NATO jets can do this? and how are NATO IFF systems legacy?
Any display capable of putting target information on the HMD (primary function) should be able to also indicate IFF data. The means of IFF is what is the primary issue here, as most NATO jets rely on AWACS or other aircraft to do IFF for them.
The Rafale will use AWACS and datalink information for IFF but primarily determines friend or foe using the onboard sensors.
but what other aircraft have the onboard sensors to IFF?
Almost all aircraft flying today will have some sort of “interrogator” or often times, multiple.
The Rafale can use the dedicated IFF interrogator, radar, FSO system, SPECTRA, datalink, and even the MICA-IR’s infrared seeker as a form of target detection and then determine if that target is friend or foe with a variety or combination of those sensors.
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so for say, an F-15E/C, the IFF interrogator, radar, TEWS/RWR, and datalink would give it this same capability?
No, as far as I know the SB25A on the Rafale is the only IFF interrogator of its’ kind unless the F-22 or F-35 have something classified that we don’t know about;
And for anyone wondering it has come standard since F1 and has been upgraded since;
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what would stop US IFF transponders from being able to do this though? also, if you look at the IFF bullet point on the 2nd screenshot, it says IFF MK XII which is the same kind US aircraft have had since the 70’s, and was standardized by NATO in 2002 as MK XIIA
interestingly, it mentions electronic scan capability at the bottom
https://www.forecastinternational.com/archive/disp_pdf.cfm?DACH_RECNO=1408
here says that AESA F-15’s need the AESA IFF antenna, but the other PDF does say that its compatbile with M-scan radars
The APX-114 you mention is using the main radar for IFF it is not a similar system.
The only similar electronic-scanning systems are the upgraded Kuwaiti F-18’s that got the AN/APX-111 (V) upgraded IFF … in fact there is quite a lot of information on them. I do not know how many F-18’s or whose upgraded to this system over time.
The mkXII system is only the box containing the information such as the crypto necessary to determine the friends from the foe. It is not the interrogator or receivers themselves.
Compared to the Rafale, the F-18’s is a standalone system that is not integrated with the rest of the sensor suite and covers considerably less of the space around the plane.
edited in more sources showing F-15 has electronic scan IFF systems. it literally says it needs an AS-4664 electronic scan antenna
the BAE pdf on the APX-111 says its in use with USA F-18. also, why wouldnt it be able to integrate into HMD information, other systems have been integrated onto older airframes similarly to this? cant JHMCS display friend or foe?
some more proof of 114 ESA ability
Those are all separate interrogators necessary to incorporate electronic scan - they are not integrated into the same system as on the Rafale. They are also steered with the radar antenna / nose of the aircraft and do not provide the same situational awareness.
The AN/APX-111 (V) on the F-18’s are an all-in-one system like on the Rafale it seems, but lack the sensor fusion of the Rafale as I stated.
the AS-4664 antenna is seperate to the aircrafts main radar. please send proof that rafale can cover wider area with its IFF than the F-18 or 15. the APX-114, which is fully integrated to F-15, is able to fully integrate the AS-4664, and F-15’s as well as F-18’s have sensor fusion too, surely enough to display IFF info to the helmet.
I never said they couldn’t display IFF information on the helmet, I simply stated that it doesn’t have the same level of sensor fusion or coverage. The Rafale has a far larger number of integrated sensors and by that same nature - has more coverage.
fair enough. if they add TDL, then itll be able to see basically all friendlies. for now though, it should at least be able to see stuff in 120 degree in front of it
how many IFF transponders does Rafale have though? even if it can detect stuff from most angles, doesnt mean it can IFF it if it isnt within coverage of the transponder or transponders
As long as the stuff in front of it is returning interrogator requests - or has time to.
is this not automated? and how long does it even take?
I don’t know how long it would take, but it would require that every aircraft involved be sending and receiving signals back and forth to each other - requires direct line of sight and that both aircraft sensors are within gimbal limits, etc.
For the sake of gameplay you could simplify this greatly and just make aircraft within line of sight and looking at friendlies within 120 degree frontal sector pop up as friendly after a radar track has been provided… the Eurofighter for example requires an A/A track on something to determine it as friend or foe when utilizing the radar which isn’t required if you have electronic scanning capability.
ah, so the Rafale and an AS-4664 & APX-114 equipped F-15, as well as an APX-111 F-18, would all be able to go about typical operation while using their IFF’s?