“Rafale underperforming in sustain turn at low speed by whole 4 degree/s and lack bit AoA”
can someone report that?
After some digging and formating: I’ve added a list of (valid) Bug Reports to the OP. Removed the General History part in order to not reach the type limited, its still in my archive as well as Suggestions though.
I’ll color code the most important reports soon as well.
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" My uncle flew both Rafale f3 and f16c block 52 and he said it clear to me"
if i had to fight between both of them i will fight f16 in my rafale he also said rafale turn better and has a better control then f16c but f16c has better Visibility"
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This sadly does not work when the game still thinks IRST is preferred. You can click the keybind, see that the angle limits change, as if some part of the system switches to radar, but the mode itself will still be radar with no ability to launch radar missiles. It helps sometimes, but when it does, it (usually) will have already automatically switched to radar anyway.
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Strange, i never had any trouble with the radar switching to irst when locking
I’m also loosing lock randomly or the lock switch for something else.
But my main issue still the fact radar switch to IR mode (from PD) and prevent MICA launch. It happened so many times yesterday, it was crazy.
Even the radar on Mirage 2000 is way more reliable. On Rafale it’s pure bul****.
Here again, clear sky, a Mig 29 is coming towards me:
HMD mode, try to lock it: switch to TRACK IR
It can’t launch MICA.
I try to re lock: switch immediately to TRACK IR mode.
By the time, I try to notch: I’m dead.
I don’t know what happen with me because when I watch video from Bad_Karma or other youtubers, it NEVER happen.
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https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/6dKurgoa95XA
I have a question for the CBR, why is this report suddenly accepted based on a clipping from a brochure and a couple of videos (which, according to Gaijin, are not the source)?. Why isn’t there the same reaction to the rest of the reports? Where did people even post documents and manual calculations?
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Is there a reason why an IRST lock can’t be used for a MICA launch? Couldn’t you previously launch ARHs with only an IR track or am I misremembering?
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It used to be when MiG-29 was first added that you could lock and fire R-27ER in IRST before it was removed after a month or so. But no one has the ability to fire ARHs with IR track and never had, iirc.
The Rafale should have that ability alongside the British Eurofighter and Russian aircrafts though, to fire ARHs with IRST lock.
The Rafale should be able to fire MICA and the future Meteor and MICA NGs by…
- Using the IRST lock with angular multi-tracking at long range (100-130km)
- Using the TV sensor with laser range-finder at medium range (40km)
- Using the SPECTRA RWR which can triangulate the 3D position of targets at long range (250km)
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Letting the IRST/TV sensor on rafale launch and direct missiles will definitely be a really big buff to the Rafale, hopefully it goes through before I finish grinding it.
And as hilarious as it’d be to use the RWR to launch MICAs at enemy missiles and aircraft… I feel like that’d be considered a super broken capability. But it would be very very funny.
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Maybe it’s not super necessary now, but would be necessary with stealth jets that you can’t necessarily pick up with radar.
Although allowing the Rafale to fire at people who use their radars would give more importance to IRST-users such as British Eurofighters or Russian aircraft since they cannot be launched on if they don’t use their radars and opt for the IRST. Would create an interesting dynamic.
For anti-stealth SPECTRA cueing missiles will probably be fair enough, but right now it’d kinda just be “Oh you dare launch at me? Parry this MICA launched at you, and this second MICA launched at your missile.”
Which sounds very funny to use, but definitely not fun to play against.
To deal with L-O aircraft we really need datalink, AWACS/GCI and the ability to network radars that are capable of it.
But I digress.
I know you’re not exactly here in good faith but here you go anyway :
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On the CBR every document is posted in a folder that only the mods and devs can access. This has been the case for a while for reasons you should understand.
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All the testing parameters are given and the videos are linked in the report. I’m not sure why you’d want the Excel sheet for the frame-by-frame STR measurements, but you could easily redo it by downloading the video and read it with VLC for instance.
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The initial report only included one document, which could be considered as a primary source from Dassault. It states a max STR of around 24 °/s without any other details. Note that this statement is purposefully vague for commercial reasons and concerns a very early version of the Rafale. 23.5-24 °/s is believable for an early Rafale on really low fuel.
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The devs wanted other sources to work with. I therefore searched for other sources, which are all legit in their own right. The Aermacchi one is arguably more dubious since the full document isn’t known but it checks out with performance data points from other aircrafts.
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Upon review of the HUD video, which is as close to a primary source as we can get, the dev concluded that a buff of around 0.5-0.7 °/s could be considered. I’m still waiting for it to happen though.
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TLDR : don’t worry EFT fans, if the Rafale ever gets buffed because of this report, it will only be marginal. Your dear Tyffy will still be the king of gunfighters.
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he isnt
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Not saying he is. I know a lot of Typhoon players have been coping about the Rafale, this was adressed to them.
I would argue that implementing all of this would benefit the stealth jets much more than the non-stealth ones, as the stealth jets would not have to use their radars which would give away their positions and open them up to being triangulated by SPECTRA which would cue the IRST and the TV to look in a particular area.
How does this work please, does it require two sensors (and thereby different aircraft) obtaining a deviation or is it closer to the way PIRATE works at all ranges and uses kinematics?
Unironically I just want to see them both performing as well as possible.
I also have been thoroughly enjoying reading sources people have found to bug report stuff as well as the reports themselves, as it saves me from having to research it myself as I’m always curious about the performance of these jets.
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In some cases, even if it doesn’t do what PIRATE does, (passive ranging), some IRSTs like the Russians, have built-in laser rangefinder for their IRSTs to judge range and position.
The Rafale does have IRST and a TV sensor with laser range-finder that can work together. But, the IRST is said to offer multi-target angular tracking independent of the TV sensor which contains laser range-finder, how it is done is not said however, we can only assume.
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