All (German) IPA aircraft are owned by the Luftwaffe (WTD 61 to be more precise).
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This testbed is operated by Dassault and DGA as well as Thales and all industrials that must run tests on the Rafale LMAO. And people that run the tests are actually people from the Armée de l’Air et de l’Espace anyway… Industrials just cccheck measurements are in acccordance to what was expected.
Dassault & Industrie partners =/= Armée de l’air
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It still doesnt belong to the armée de l’air, does it?
It’s 50/50 afaik the measurement tools installed on the base that is used for the tests belong to DGA and industrials and the plane belong to the crew that operates it afaik so in the end it’s owned by a specific squad of the AdA&E
If it does belong to the armée de l’air, than the case would be no different from the IPA8. But from what ive read in this thread it sounded to me like that was not the case. And i could not quickly find any source on which airframes CEAM (Frances test squadron afaik) operates
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Also this is where it gets interesting because defense industries in France are very closely related to the army as the industrials are all present on french territory and iirc have close colaboration with the army. While for the EFT consortium the army must operate testbeds beccause if it was the industrials that operated the test planes it would be a happy mess as the plane would have to change country various time to properly run tests.
CEAM basically only operated aircrafts that served testbed at a point or another afaik.
If you want to report weapons load used on testbeds feel free to do so but for such a thing like 8 MICA for F3R to happen to US or any other nation you need very strong reports. And the one that got presented to devs was ultra solid.
The people that popped on this thread only to yap is insane. Instead try to get same treatments and if they get refused by gaijin you yell at injustice anyway while when someone takes a look at the reports made for such things they are more fragile than the efing skellerex in Mario Bros games.
I’m aware of that much. I was hoping to quickly figure out if that squadron tested the additional pylons and on which airframe (and if that airframe belongs to industry or not). No idea of that information even exists tho
You are the one who echo chamber replies insults at nobody.
People can have differing opinions on what they want to see in game, this does not make their opinion any less valid. You got what you want, let it go.
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If there’s one thing that was not a cause of this it was preferential treatment. What happened was the 6-10 people spamming the same reports eventually likely got to a less knowledgeable bug reporter who passed it on. The zone was too gray to outright deny capability (even though if they searched a little bit they could easily deny it). So they were forced to give in and give an ahistorical buff.
It does open up a whole new unnecessary can of worms though, using non-combat capable prototypes as modeling references now means we will likely see a whole bunch of weird bug reports.
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“french mains” doesn’t even mean anything since it seems like half the thread is angry at the second half because of this “8x MICA” report, which would render any MICA fix too unbalanced and could possibly postpone it (although Smin would probably tell you the opposite).
Meanwhile, said second half is being angry at the first half because they don’t think hard core realism should be followed and don’t want to lose their precious 8x mica loadout
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I know! It’s crazy how hateful and rude some people can be, I mean just look at how rude some of these comments are:
Some of these even up to 7 hours ago! People really gotta get a life and stop attacking others for holding different opinions.
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Guys please keep it on topic. If you want to keep this discussion going take it to PMs.
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Was everyone this angry too when m2k 5f got 8 missiles?
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Idk people were rather happy about the fact gaijin allowed it afaik XD
But at the release of 5F people were angry the 5F got CAS tho. Once again all the talk was about “Muh 100% historical accuracy”
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CM change is a complete nerf. 16 single-pop large CM for 36 single-pop small CM?? good luck with dodging any IRCCM missile with single-pop small flares, cuz it won’t cover the heat source at all. The same applies to planes like F-14A/B, where it struggles against IR missiles due to lack of large flares nor abundant normal flares like F-15.
edit: In game 1 large flare has the luminosity of like 4 regular flares poping simutaneously. Tested with friends and turns out that Rafale’s single-pop normal flares cannot decoy even the AIM-9L. This plane is literally down to 16 large flares to defend itself against various IR missiles, which is even worse than before.
edit2: single-pop regular chaff is also almost useless. It’s RCS is nowhere near the large chaff. Changing the 36 regular CM to double-pop (18 pops in total) will help a bit, but I’d prefer large CMs.
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