Less missiles, a radar that isn’t even properly modeled, and at the same BR as the typhoon which is straight up better than anything else, especially when you consider that this is with all the bugs related to its IRST
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i always thought it could fixed by not letting TV be on until it reaches a certain G threshold then TV turns on
This website
mentions it. It is not a primary source, but tends to be reliable.
The ±70° seems to come from “Pilotes de Rafale” - Edition Atlas, i unfortunately don’t possess this book myself
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It would be a bit hard on server, because you’d constantly have to poll distance if you wanted any accuracy out of it. But it’s about the quickest way to get the missile functioning better.
yeah, hopefully one day it will be a long range missile
Regard this topic; Its the most reliable 3rd party source you can find.
The ±70° is correct, I’ve seen the sources myself.
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It wouldn’t get us much more range, but we’d at least be able to take ~20km shots as opposed to 10.
Most matches are not really long range. Its still more or less a short range furball.
Maybe people should stop getting hyper focused then, they’re not forced to fly into 3 people, especially when those people have missiles suited for short range. Any plane carrying amraams has no excuse for being in a furball at 5 km’s other than their own choice
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If this is the game, then its the game. You know how the maps are designed. Everyone sooner or later ends up in the map center and there waits a blob of Rafales with undefeatable MICA’s.
Multipathing? Chaff? Notching? The fact that you have 6 9M’s?
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As it stands, anything carrying 6 or more amraams does not need to leave high altitude, and nothing short of another amraam slinger can contest them, as the current meta is all about range, pull means little when every missile can outpull someone snapping their wings off.+
The MICA has the WORST long range performance, making BVR with it a joke. For the MICA to even be a concern, you have to have a complete skill issue; for you not only need leave the safety of orbit, but you have to enter an aspect where YOU can’t counter launch a ARH while they can (an angle that simply goes from 100 Degrees in front of them, to 180. The MICA excels at one thing only, off bore launches, all other missles are quicker off the rail at close range in a head on.
This means one thing, the MICA is a major skill issue detector, in that combined with an HMD, it makes it trivial to punish players doing dumb and risky plays up close and personal, its downright perfect for ruining a players overconfidence. And we all know the average top tier player.
I hate to envoke the argument of skill issue but seriously it is. You haven’t flown anything with a MICA, so your only knowledge of how they work is from them punishing a bad play you make, without the opportunity to learn why. Top tier is very difficult to learn from one side, you need to play your opponents plane to learn how it works from its side of the aisle. Assuming Im not replying to bait.
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And for the sake of shutting down the idea I’m calling skill issue without substance. And that I may be unhelpful. Let’s look at exactly the scenario that is what the MICA has an an advantage.
Typically Coming on perpendicular to anyone at 90 degrees means that you can close the gap while firing, meaning they either have to notch, multipath, or: either if theyre far away, they can hmd lock and fire back with enough room for the missle to pull in, or if they’re close, they must risk pulling in temporarily to get a shot off. This already isn’t a safe position for either plane to be in. Make the one in the notch a MICA carrier, and all that changes is that instead of needing to pull in around 50 degrees to fire then pull out, you need only pull in 10 degrees, not enough to notch but you are in an easier position to pull back into one.
Being the aggressor in that scenario may seem advantageous especially at close range, but even without a MICA your enemy is already in a good defensive position, the only change is that with a MICA, they can fire back at your already poor position. Of course a MICA wont work if your also multipathing or notching, same as every other missile, but in this position thats harder for you then them. You don’t want to jump someone like this.
There is also the fact it pulls slightly harder instantly off the rail for close up shots, but this is nothing most don’t know, such as comparing 9m/r73. The defenses are the same, merely a slightly larger margin.
Ultimately your tactics aren’t changed by a thrust vectored ARH compared to a regular ARH. The thrust vectoring just exposes any risk already there and exacerbates it. It not that r73 is harder to flare than most missles stalled out, its that it has a larger margin to make use of that position.
EDIT: And to drive this point into the ground. Anyone familiar with R73 will find the MICA to be so familiar as to think of it as simply a radar guided R73. With all caveats that comes with, such as instantaneous G pull that severely limits range; trading weak side aspect and strong rear aspect for strong headon aspect and weak rear aspect tracking. And the rhetoric should be eerily similar, people saying the R73 is op having not used it, as their experience is one flaring everything in an f5c with ice cold engines to a missle that requires putting thought into defeating it. In no uncertain terms it is a mirror of the r73, including any misplaced ideas either were/are OP.
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That book is referring to the PESA variant, the book was made sometime in the 90’s iirc, well before the AESA variant came out so could only be referencing the PESA. But yes, the AESA RBE2 is also 70± and several sources confirm it anyway.
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Thats just patently not true. The MICA is the fastest off the rail of all Fox-3’s on current top tier aircrafts, atleast according to these (admittedly dated) graphs (tho I dont think theres been any changes since iirc?).
In both impact velocity, the MICA wins out sub ~11/18/25km, and in time to impact, it wins out sub ~19/30/39km at 1000/6000/9000m and the associated launch speeds seen in the graphs.
The impact velocity dropping off a cliff at longer ranges does significantly harm the pK%, but to say it only excels in off-bore shots is downright false.
I probs wouldnt wanna shoot it any further than ~13/23/36km tho at said alts ans launch conditions tho. Probably less depending on what the radar is giving me for the MAR in-game, but every player has their own preferences on missile launch params and the likes.
The graphs are also a simplified version of what would actually happen in a match, and its unclear how harshly the MICA might be affected if the target was defending when compared to other missiles.
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Neat, learned something new from you 3 :)
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Im considering the fact that in match, the MICA bleeds much of its speed instantly pulling with thrust vectoring, its the same issue with the R73, there’s a significant discrepancy in off rail speed depending on how off bore your shot is. I don’t doubt and know well a straight shot is typically faster than others.
Not exactly relevant when the MICA is one of the only ones even capable of off-bore shots…
Every missle with an uncaged seeker is at some level capable of shooting off bore, its simply that TVC missles are significantly more capability doing so, and more practically. TVC missles lose significantly and noticeably more speed firing off bore than fin guided ones in game, its related to the wobble and spin out bug. Its rather rare to shoot a missle straight lined up with the nose at top tier.
EDIT: I do believe you misunderstood, Im sick and might not be writing the most concise. But was refering to how a off bore mica shot will be much slower than someone firing a non-TVC missle coming in perpendicular.
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Functionally, yes, but to be practical while doing so, not exactly. Many of the top tier fox 3’s simply dont pull as much as the MICA or R-77 for off bore shots to matter at close range.
These were some test shots posted in the Fox 3 forum thread back during the last time (I know of atleast) that maneuvrability for top tier missiles was modified. Not only is the MICA one of the rare few to hit this shot, its actually one of the fastest missiles at impact, and its time to target is the lowest. The AMRAAM btw, which the french love to compare against so much, basicly doesnt even pull into the target, and is slower than the MICA.