Dassault Rafale - Variants, Characteristics, Armament and Performance

Devs themselves said that HMD is BALANCE thing and not something about accuracy. Just go away.
You dont even have France top tier, you barely have US top tier. This smells like : muh i dont want my top tier tree to be devalued and dethroned from most broken BS reeeee.
You are here sh***ing on rafale in this patch wherever you can.
Sure, let them change it to 4.1 with additional 2 mica missiles. But this will mean gaijin loses money from next grind for Mica NG and IR and possibly meteor. They might even try to prolong meteor so long that they can add F5 and milk that.
So 4.1 aint happening.
F3 will be combination of bunch of variants like most top tier planes are. You like it or not. If it underperforms to EF and 15E/I, it might receive additional micas or they will be fixed.

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You dont want that thing on any plane… i wish rafale was without one. It just screws you more than helps you.

What’s wrong about it?

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Someone notches your radar, IRST takes over, lock is dropped. It stays in IRST, if you wont notice and you wont if you are merged with bunch of planes around. You cant launch micas, you really cant even lock as everyone is spamming CMs in headons. Almost half of my deaths are just from this issue.
It forced me into BVR with suboptimal missile to avoid it.
If it atleast went back to radar if lock is dropped, but it stays in IR.

We don’t need either of those. Current MICA + HMD is more than enough to be a terror at top tier.

Look at today’s DEFYN video, he’s praising it highly and he’s not one to praise a plane that isn’t capable of a 10 K/D in his hands.

Not at all. PIRATE was not trialed/operated/tested by German EFT version present in game unlike Rafale F3R which actually trialed these additional pylons and operates with them in IAF.

I dont care about defyn… iam not playing plane packed with AESA to BFM and offbore “BVR” missiles with it. I want to eventually play it in sim and fly it like it should be flown - BVR and at range. Without some stupid notch - shoot - notch - shoot HMD gameplay which is utter cancer.

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Thats fine, like i said, wanna sit on it saying its a balance thing, fine. But if it was solely a balance thing, it wouldnt have gotten the single best one in-game, it wouldve just gotten an HMCS like the M2K5.

Not yet nope, never hidden that either, tho the Rafale being added is gonna change that real quick.

Not sure where you got that idea, I have US, GER, RU, CN all at top tier in jets, pretty close to top with SWE as well.

I genuinly dont understand how you read my messages over and over again, which literally state id prefer the MICA be buffed to be historical, the fact I love the gun and love the plane, and intend to get it ASAP, or think the name could be changed to F4.1 and fix/buff all the “problems” with the historical accuracy, and think "man, this guy just hates the Rafale >:( "
You have reading comprehension issues or something? :/

Then you’re playing the wrong plane. Rafale is the only plane ingame right now that has a different playstyle than all the ARH slingers (besides Soviets, who are straight up worse france atm).

And the MICA are absolutely fine. Yes they lack range, but Gaijin will NEVER buff them to Aim120A or even R-77 range simply because of the thrust vectoring that would make them way too lethal.

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PIRATE IRST is literally a drop in addition the Germans reserve the right to add at any time they want. Its not something requiring trialing or any additional modifications.

Gaijin is probably keeping the F4.1 for further update, because they’ll want to add a Meteor/8 missiles carrier behind a 400k+ RP grind, and the only version after Rafale F3R are F4.1 and F4.2.

And there’s no freaking way they’ll remove the HMD on F.3R, for balance reason. It would kill the plane’s viability outright.

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They could drop it to an HMCS like seen on the M2K5F, which would be less jarring.

That wouldnt affect RB players at all, but it would also hold back on the massive advantage it gets in sim for no reason at all.

Like I said before, I get HMD is balance thing, I disagree with its implementation and the rampant french mains attempts to justify it as anything but a balance decision, but I get it. The fact they gave it the literal best HMD in-game when an HMCS would have been just fine is pretty obnoxious tho, particularly when there are other planes that have been bug reported for months missing the IFF functionality it got for free.

100km Class is NATO Classification and doesn’t mean the missile have to reach 100km to be classified as 100km missile,…

MBDA and Armée de L’Air et de L’Espace always said that the MBDA MICA-EM was 80km, MICA-IR 60km, and that NG have for objectives to make both missiles able to reach the same range +20km.

that have been the reason why MBDA made MICA-NG program in the first place.

Sources?

“The MICA’s minimum and maximum operating ranges are 500m and 60km”

about MICA-NG - “allongement de la portée”

https://archive.wikiwix.com/cache/index2.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ixarm.com%2FFiche-technique%2C11178#federation=archive.wikiwix.com&tab=url
Portée : < 500 m à >80 km”

and Books:
Yannick Smaldore, « Forces aériennes Les missiles de combat rapproché de l’OTAN », DEFENSE EXPERT,‎ avril-mai-juin 2020, p. 69

----> No where there i can find any MICA to be stated at 100km, unless we speak of “MICA EM NG” which is brand new. <—

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it is not drop in

And the Germans never used it

HMD is actually drop in

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Cant even get this out of current EM…

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if only it was a MICA IR/EM Mistake,… but not even,… Gaijin purposely made it a 50km missiles,… because they can’t model the reduced amount of G the missile can turn (about 35G on first pull, after 15-20km flight, perfect conditions)

Which makes it objectively worse and less effective than others…

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Just watched a rafale gameplay, i might buy the mirage f1 to grind this thing…

You probably watched handpicked few battles out of 20 where you dont spend half of the game defending amraams and praying you wont get killed by it even at multipath level maneuvering as its falling like orbital strike from typhoon or F15 10km above you.

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Is it that bad?