Dassault Rafale - Variants, Characteristics, Armament and Performance

Gaijin is probably keeping the F4.1 for further update, because they’ll want to add a Meteor/8 missiles carrier behind a 400k+ RP grind, and the only version after Rafale F3R are F4.1 and F4.2.

And there’s no freaking way they’ll remove the HMD on F.3R, for balance reason. It would kill the plane’s viability outright.

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They could drop it to an HMCS like seen on the M2K5F, which would be less jarring.

That wouldnt affect RB players at all, but it would also hold back on the massive advantage it gets in sim for no reason at all.

Like I said before, I get HMD is balance thing, I disagree with its implementation and the rampant french mains attempts to justify it as anything but a balance decision, but I get it. The fact they gave it the literal best HMD in-game when an HMCS would have been just fine is pretty obnoxious tho, particularly when there are other planes that have been bug reported for months missing the IFF functionality it got for free.

100km Class is NATO Classification and doesn’t mean the missile have to reach 100km to be classified as 100km missile,…

MBDA and Armée de L’Air et de L’Espace always said that the MBDA MICA-EM was 80km, MICA-IR 60km, and that NG have for objectives to make both missiles able to reach the same range +20km.

that have been the reason why MBDA made MICA-NG program in the first place.

Sources?

“The MICA’s minimum and maximum operating ranges are 500m and 60km”

about MICA-NG - “allongement de la portée”

https://archive.wikiwix.com/cache/index2.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ixarm.com%2FFiche-technique%2C11178#federation=archive.wikiwix.com&tab=url
Portée : < 500 m à >80 km”

and Books:
Yannick Smaldore, « Forces aériennes Les missiles de combat rapproché de l’OTAN », DEFENSE EXPERT,‎ avril-mai-juin 2020, p. 69

----> No where there i can find any MICA to be stated at 100km, unless we speak of “MICA EM NG” which is brand new. <—

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it is not drop in

And the Germans never used it

HMD is actually drop in

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Cant even get this out of current EM…

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if only it was a MICA IR/EM Mistake,… but not even,… Gaijin purposely made it a 50km missiles,… because they can’t model the reduced amount of G the missile can turn (about 35G on first pull, after 15-20km flight, perfect conditions)

Which makes it objectively worse and less effective than others…

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Just watched a rafale gameplay, i might buy the mirage f1 to grind this thing…

You probably watched handpicked few battles out of 20 where you dont spend half of the game defending amraams and praying you wont get killed by it even at multipath level maneuvering as its falling like orbital strike from typhoon or F15 10km above you.

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Is it that bad?

No.

Honestly, depends, i find rafale more fun than EF but EF is objectively powerhouse that totally crushes rafale everywhere exept specific close range scenario. If you get focused in Rafale and the guy focusing you has 2 brain cells, you are done.

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Sunshine’s gonna be astounded when they find out about chaff. Or just launching first.

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Which doesnt matter in the slightest outside of SIM. You are acting as if F3R stolen HMD IFF from other nations or halted their addition which isnt true as these are 2 separate developments.

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I got excited because of the radar, seems very good although the mica is kinda mid

The ‘‘100km class’’ has been claimed on Armee de l’Air website , i have posted the source to the original comment which you did respond .

From all the sources you posted only the MICA NG brochure is on the same level of authority ( since both come from Armee de l’Air ) . Ixarm which is a website for export as far i understand mention >80 km which means superior to 80km , if 80km was the limit they would mention <80km. And the third source is meaningless since just a news website. Back to MICA NG brochure , it doesn’t tell you anything specific about MICA range it just tells you that MICA NG has extended range over MICA.

Regardless the point i was trying to make was not to say that MICA should absolutely hit 100km , as i said it is unkown what the max range for MICA-EM is . The point was to emphasize how far off from that ‘‘100km class’’ the MICA we got ingame is .

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This you?
IMG_1509

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Radar is really good. This type of radar is radar you want for something that flies fast and high (rafale can do that) and has good BVR missiles… well theres where whole point of that radar and alt performance falls apart. You cant BVR. I try to use it as such and usually, 2 missiles connect with luck. They are slow, Even at alt, above 20-25km, they slow down FAAAAST after burning out and it gives enemy waaaaay more time to chaff them or even outrun them.
Its not hard to chaff amraam at altitude, even though i died to it in perfect 90° notch dropping chaffs like mad.
But your missile wont really achieve same ammount of pressure and kill potential.

What website/source is this?

https://warthunder.com/en/community/searchplayers/

It’s public information

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