Okay so hear me out 6 missiles, No HMD but we get Meteor and MICA-IR. That would be the historical/real loadout. XD
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No… its perfectly balanced to remaining top tiers.
Double racks on SM? Even though they physically cant be used on it?
F-15C from 90s spec with JHMCS and jdams?
Gripen A with HMD???
2000-5s with HMD???
F-4J with HMS - tested and then thrown away.
Get out of there with 100% correct rafale when there is pretty much NOTHING at top tier which is correct.
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Bull according to whome ? Like i would really like to know who has more authority / credibility / knowledge on the matter than Armee de l’Air to make that statement ? Truth is we simply don’t know , there is no public documentation on it other than the official statements …
Note the smooth track until notched.
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If you want to start a riot with everyone else in the game targeting French players, sure lol.
You can track like this whole enemy team, no matter altitude as long as they are in those vertical 30° and 70° horizontal. Now we just miss decent BVR weapon.
Thats technically a Gripen A+ so A model modified to C standards.
Needs name change to Mk.2 tbf
Service HMS. F-14 was the one that never deployed it in active units
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Mk.2 is a two seater tho? right?
Got any sources on that? Not that I doubt you, genuinly curious at the numbers
Is it known whether or not the EM can be launched IRL with IRST and Datalink?
2000s spec
The Russians were doing it on the MiG-29 so I don’t see why the Rafale wouldn’t be able to as well
This probs falls under the 50 years of secrecy policy tho
Anything that wasnt used in service to some degree should be removed imo.
- F-15C is a bit of an odd duckling cuz gaijins never really stuck to period appropriate stuff (half their jets are frankensteins of different years models). All thr stuff it has is stuff its operated at some point or another tho afaik.
- The Gripen A REALLY didnt need the ahistorical HMD when it was added, it was already one of if not thr best plane on release.
- M2K-5 shouldnt have HMCS afaik, but of note, they only got an unhisotrical HMCS, not the literal best HMD in-game. Probs wouldnt bite as hard with the Rafale’s HMD situation if it didnt get not only an HMD, but by far the beat one in-game…
- F-4J allegedly did operate VTAS in service to some limited degree, as did F-4S iirc. There are other aircrafts that did test VTAS that did not get them as they werent used operationally, namely the F-14’s and F-15A.
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WOW look at that… and its not even unrealistic as F3 can actually use HMD. France just didnt bother to buy it for them and implement it.
Sounds like AGM-65 for 15I, sounds like 38MT for 25, sounds like 9J for F-4F, sounds like whole ass yak141.
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P sure Hellenic Air Force operates them in single seat
As long as there are things like 141 and R77 double rails on SM, i dont care about realism and accuracy. If others can have toys, i want them too. Screw accuracy. You want it? Noone forces you to use helmet or carry additional missiles if we ever get these pylons.
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It did need HMD on release considering SAAF Gripen C addition at the same time
Theres a difference between loadouts and avionics that were deployed on jets of different year under the same designation and in the same air force/nation, and a jet that did not operate something under said designation.
The F-15C have operated everything they have at some point or another in-game for example. The Rafale F3R did not operate the HMD or 8x missiles in french service. That was the F4.1 standard.
Still not sure why you’re against a change to the F4.1 standard ingame btw (which is something I recommended/supported as a viable option). Itd give you everything you want except accurately modelled MICA-EM’s, but the F3R should be modelled as an F3R, not as an F4.1 with 2 less missiles that everyone is trying really really hard to get added anyways.
Listen, if you wanna just say “neener neener we got the HMD we shouldnt have suck it nerd” and stick ur tongue out, thats fine, we can call it a day there, but stop trying to justify the HMD you got like it was a totally fair and valid addition. It wasnt, the F3R didnt operate it, the F4.1 did. Ive already told you where I stand on historical accuracy, and maintain that across all vehicles ingame. If its hisyorcially accurate to nerf a vehicle I like (such as the Rafale), so be it, it stings but its what I stand by.
F3R could get export pylons just like that. No need to change it to F4.1 config unless Gaijin would pull something like F4.1 (early) and F4.1 (late)
Ive covered this before but adding “export” stuff to the Rafale opens the argument for adding "export stuff to other jets added this patch, most notably the PIRATE IRST on thr german EFT, which actually has a better claim to PIRATE than the F3R has to an HMD or the export pylons.
My (personal) stance is neither should get stuff that they didnt operate in their home countries. If you wanna take the stance that it should get any and all export things, and are fine with that argument being made for the german EFT, i have no beef with that either. I disagree with it, but you’re atleast being consistant, which is my main gripe with the other guys who dont like me very much here.
A F4.1 solves all your issues for the time being and other earlier Rafales like the current F3R (but modelled correctly) could be added at a later date to fill gaps after every top jet ingame gets a missile performance increase (such as correct MICA modelling, AIM-120C-5’s, etc…)