2000s spec
The Russians were doing it on the MiG-29 so I don’t see why the Rafale wouldn’t be able to as well
This probs falls under the 50 years of secrecy policy tho
Anything that wasnt used in service to some degree should be removed imo.
- F-15C is a bit of an odd duckling cuz gaijins never really stuck to period appropriate stuff (half their jets are frankensteins of different years models). All thr stuff it has is stuff its operated at some point or another tho afaik.
- The Gripen A REALLY didnt need the ahistorical HMD when it was added, it was already one of if not thr best plane on release.
- M2K-5 shouldnt have HMCS afaik, but of note, they only got an unhisotrical HMCS, not the literal best HMD in-game. Probs wouldnt bite as hard with the Rafale’s HMD situation if it didnt get not only an HMD, but by far the beat one in-game…
- F-4J allegedly did operate VTAS in service to some limited degree, as did F-4S iirc. There are other aircrafts that did test VTAS that did not get them as they werent used operationally, namely the F-14’s and F-15A.
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WOW look at that… and its not even unrealistic as F3 can actually use HMD. France just didnt bother to buy it for them and implement it.
Sounds like AGM-65 for 15I, sounds like 38MT for 25, sounds like 9J for F-4F, sounds like whole ass yak141.
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P sure Hellenic Air Force operates them in single seat
As long as there are things like 141 and R77 double rails on SM, i dont care about realism and accuracy. If others can have toys, i want them too. Screw accuracy. You want it? Noone forces you to use helmet or carry additional missiles if we ever get these pylons.
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It did need HMD on release considering SAAF Gripen C addition at the same time
Theres a difference between loadouts and avionics that were deployed on jets of different year under the same designation and in the same air force/nation, and a jet that did not operate something under said designation.
The F-15C have operated everything they have at some point or another in-game for example. The Rafale F3R did not operate the HMD or 8x missiles in french service. That was the F4.1 standard.
Still not sure why you’re against a change to the F4.1 standard ingame btw (which is something I recommended/supported as a viable option). Itd give you everything you want except accurately modelled MICA-EM’s, but the F3R should be modelled as an F3R, not as an F4.1 with 2 less missiles that everyone is trying really really hard to get added anyways.
Listen, if you wanna just say “neener neener we got the HMD we shouldnt have suck it nerd” and stick ur tongue out, thats fine, we can call it a day there, but stop trying to justify the HMD you got like it was a totally fair and valid addition. It wasnt, the F3R didnt operate it, the F4.1 did. Ive already told you where I stand on historical accuracy, and maintain that across all vehicles ingame. If its hisyorcially accurate to nerf a vehicle I like (such as the Rafale), so be it, it stings but its what I stand by.
F3R could get export pylons just like that. No need to change it to F4.1 config unless Gaijin would pull something like F4.1 (early) and F4.1 (late)
Ive covered this before but adding “export” stuff to the Rafale opens the argument for adding "export stuff to other jets added this patch, most notably the PIRATE IRST on thr german EFT, which actually has a better claim to PIRATE than the F3R has to an HMD or the export pylons.
My (personal) stance is neither should get stuff that they didnt operate in their home countries. If you wanna take the stance that it should get any and all export things, and are fine with that argument being made for the german EFT, i have no beef with that either. I disagree with it, but you’re atleast being consistant, which is my main gripe with the other guys who dont like me very much here.
A F4.1 solves all your issues for the time being and other earlier Rafales like the current F3R (but modelled correctly) could be added at a later date to fill gaps after every top jet ingame gets a missile performance increase (such as correct MICA modelling, AIM-120C-5’s, etc…)
Devs themselves said that HMD is BALANCE thing and not something about accuracy. Just go away.
You dont even have France top tier, you barely have US top tier. This smells like : muh i dont want my top tier tree to be devalued and dethroned from most broken BS reeeee.
You are here sh***ing on rafale in this patch wherever you can.
Sure, let them change it to 4.1 with additional 2 mica missiles. But this will mean gaijin loses money from next grind for Mica NG and IR and possibly meteor. They might even try to prolong meteor so long that they can add F5 and milk that.
So 4.1 aint happening.
F3 will be combination of bunch of variants like most top tier planes are. You like it or not. If it underperforms to EF and 15E/I, it might receive additional micas or they will be fixed.
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You dont want that thing on any plane… i wish rafale was without one. It just screws you more than helps you.
What’s wrong about it?
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Someone notches your radar, IRST takes over, lock is dropped. It stays in IRST, if you wont notice and you wont if you are merged with bunch of planes around. You cant launch micas, you really cant even lock as everyone is spamming CMs in headons. Almost half of my deaths are just from this issue.
It forced me into BVR with suboptimal missile to avoid it.
If it atleast went back to radar if lock is dropped, but it stays in IR.
We don’t need either of those. Current MICA + HMD is more than enough to be a terror at top tier.
Look at today’s DEFYN video, he’s praising it highly and he’s not one to praise a plane that isn’t capable of a 10 K/D in his hands.
Not at all. PIRATE was not trialed/operated/tested by German EFT version present in game unlike Rafale F3R which actually trialed these additional pylons and operates with them in IAF.
I dont care about defyn… iam not playing plane packed with AESA to BFM and offbore “BVR” missiles with it. I want to eventually play it in sim and fly it like it should be flown - BVR and at range. Without some stupid notch - shoot - notch - shoot HMD gameplay which is utter cancer.
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Thats fine, like i said, wanna sit on it saying its a balance thing, fine. But if it was solely a balance thing, it wouldnt have gotten the single best one in-game, it wouldve just gotten an HMCS like the M2K5.
Not yet nope, never hidden that either, tho the Rafale being added is gonna change that real quick.
Not sure where you got that idea, I have US, GER, RU, CN all at top tier in jets, pretty close to top with SWE as well.
I genuinly dont understand how you read my messages over and over again, which literally state id prefer the MICA be buffed to be historical, the fact I love the gun and love the plane, and intend to get it ASAP, or think the name could be changed to F4.1 and fix/buff all the “problems” with the historical accuracy, and think "man, this guy just hates the Rafale >:( "
You have reading comprehension issues or something? :/
Then you’re playing the wrong plane. Rafale is the only plane ingame right now that has a different playstyle than all the ARH slingers (besides Soviets, who are straight up worse france atm).
And the MICA are absolutely fine. Yes they lack range, but Gaijin will NEVER buff them to Aim120A or even R-77 range simply because of the thrust vectoring that would make them way too lethal.
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PIRATE IRST is literally a drop in addition the Germans reserve the right to add at any time they want. Its not something requiring trialing or any additional modifications.