Its worth noting both are underperforming here.
And as mythic said, things like Gripen get thw wrong values, these could be wrong but they line up with fireballs test roughly.
Still, phantom on 60-70% fuel and 4 sparrows does barely 1° less… plane from 1972-74 (slats) without any maneuverbility in mind to be fair. Meanwhile Rafale should be extremel capable in BFM.
Yeah could be the wrong value on statshark, also im pretty sure both are underperforming in STR so theres that.
I should have tested the clean figures for Rafale to compare them with that somewhat dubious figure from the Austrian tender.
Corrwct logic, no specific execess power means the plane is not accelerating or deccelerating.
For example, if you look at this EM diagram for the F-16A, the Ps = 0 curve is the SEP = 0 curve, the other curves represent the variance in acceleration or decceleration on the aircraft in the representative turns.
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Dedicated Forum Thread about the new weapons coming to Rafale, AASM
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If they fix the drop speed limitation, that would be nice. Though I’m curious how you found that, I was finding bugger all on the topic.
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I never got it to work in the dev server
Hey @MiG_23M, I’m currently searching for other decent secondary sources regarding turnrates, do you happen to own some ?
I made a report using the austrian document but it was moved to suggestions as apparently the devs want more sources
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/6dKurgoa95XA
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wait, does that mean they might remove the HMD ? (HMD is removed in the F.4 version no ?)
No, in f.3R there is no HMD, there are that have been tested, in f4.1 it is actually fully integrated.
f4.1 would be a full upgrade for the rafale.
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“the IAF Rafale fighters use the Display and Sight Helmet System (DASH), a helmet-mounted display and sight (HMD /S)”
Those Rafale are F.3R standards
By this standard it could also get 8 aam
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Technically all reports of that kind are moved to suggestions now, no need to stress. I can dig for more sources.
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These websites didn’t work for the last two years and I don’t trust them now, either
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Yeah they’re unreliable, unfortunately as a console based player I can’t test it on the dev myself.
But really thats a more optimistic value than Fireballs test showing 16.7°/s. Regardless both indicate STR is too low, the negotiation is over by how much.
It can fly like a TVC sukhoi I think they’ll be fine
I would rather they fixed that and buffed the STR.
I dislike how it flies less like an aircraft and more like some sort of ABM.
so if it actually gets renamed to F.4, are we also going to get 8 AAM pylons ? And also SPECTRA. And what else would we get ?
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You could get us an IRST system
SPECTRA has mostly always been present. The most modern version of the SPECTRA came with the F3 standard with improvement of the DDM-NG (from DDM) MAW system. Only the OSF changed - with the addition of a new IRST sensor - that replaced the OSF-IT from the F3 standard - which had it’s IR sensor removed from the original OSF sensor from the F2 rafale.
Basically :
- F2 (F2.2 to be precise I believe) : OSF
- F3 : OSF-IT (improved TV channel, IR removed)
- F4 : OSF-IRST (New IRST sensor, TV appears unchanged)
F4.1 improves things with a new HMD, more missiles and more armement in general (such as 1000kg bombs).
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