So the French deployed a plane in 2018 without a HMD? that is wild
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From what I have seen there haven’t been any actual French players complaining about the HMD, only commenting on the fact it isn’t real. The only people I have personally seen complaining about it are American Mains and Eurofighterbros trying to stay on top any way possible.
HMD is fine IMO, a whole lot more realistic than 8 missiles.
HMD was at least tested on the platform, but didn’t enter service on account of cost and weight concerns for pilot safety. We uh… We don’t really give a shit about cost or pilot safety, given we A) are not trying to outfit a fleet of modern aircraft with a failing budget, and B) the pilots are not real.
I’ve far more issues with armament that doesn’t have a hardpoint being added than kit that was tested but not implemented for logistical reasons.
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I just assume the people doing it are french players tbh
Quiet a few planes, including the F-22, don’t have it.
The HMD + MICA is kinda the whole gimmick so most people are fine with it
In it’s current state the MICA is practically useless without an HMD to slave it to
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Quite a few planes in game shouldn’t have it.
True dude.
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I think ppl are misunderstanding my intentions here.
I dont necessarily have an issue with the Rafale getting an HMD it doesnt have beyond the fact that I personally would like vehicles to be as accurate to reality as possible, its also why as much as it hurts me not to have it, I’m not overly concerned the German EFT isnt getting PIRATE.
What does bug me though is that the arguments being used to justify the French Rafale getting HMD are the EXACT same arguments that were used by gaijin to deny PIRATE from German Eurofighters.
Im not a fan of hypocrisy and double standards, and this would be a blatant case of it.
Alternatively, the 6 missiles and no HMD might actually get the MICA-EM fixed.
F22 weren’t deployed in 2018 tho
I thought that by the time, HMDs were standart issue equipment, but it does not look like
From what I researched, Dassault were still delivering F3Rs in 2022
You know you can hate Gaijin’s shit decisions without blaming France, right?
They’ve already used the standards we are suggesting to provide aircraft IN GAME with HMD they should not have. They’ve also left the cannon on an aircraft for a very similar reason to those used to suggest HMD be present on Rafale. The hypocrisy was here well before we suggest they maintain their standards. Hell, a lot of their hypocrisy has hurt the French tree far more often than the Germans.
HMD has become a balance component primarily, but at least Rafale has some relevance to it on account of trialing several. Logistics issues being the primary mechanism behind their absence.
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Most countries aircraft do not have a HMD in 2018, why is this surprising
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Im not blaming France, whats with you guys getting so overly defensive anytime anyone says something that is in any way perceived as negative towards french stuff?!
I LIKE the Rafale, I intend to buy a premium vehicle I dont even like and grind the entire French tree FOR the Rafale, but I also like stuff to be implemented in a realistic manner, and said knife cuts both ways. It sucks to see a vehicle you like get a nerf even if historical, but it doesn’t change the fact its historical.
Ive literally stated that I didnt like it before and I dont like it now:
In this specific case though, the Rafale and the EFT are both the mainstays of this update, and for Gaijin to VERY CLEARLY give the Rafale preferential treatment while at the same time VERY PUBLICLY stating the German EFT is to be modelled accurately, despite the German EFT literally having a better claim to PIRATE than the French Rafale F3R has to an HMD is a case unlike the others in WT history.
If you wanna use that argument, give it an HMS only, not the literal best HMD in the game. Itd still be able to cue its MICA’s with mouse in air to air for RB players, itd just lose all the additional info an HMD provides in sim. Thatd be a middle ground, though I personally like it even less tbh.
That’s the literal reason the German EFT does not have PIRATE in operational service atm. Cost/Logistics. They reserve the right to install PIRATE on any of their EFT’s at any time they want, it has all the software to do so as well, it literally just needs to be installed as a drop in mod on the plane.
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So like, we’re just going to ignore the FM of EFT outperforming Rafale in key ways that it shouldn’t? Or the payload of EFT compared to Rafale when they could have just fudged the research to give Rafale notably more ordnance? Or the greater efficacy of EFT’s AAMs, in spite of the fact we’ve plenty of reports that could have MICA outperforming them, that haven’t been actioned.
Then you’d be fine toning down EFT to bring it’s flight model within the realms of aerodynamic realities.
One of 2 that was trialed. This one has notably easier to find information.
To be entirely honest, I do not give a shit. Their hypocrisy, is not our issue. Feel free to report the missing Pirate with the example of American HMDs if you want, not really our issue.
So because I’ve issues with you pointing to France primarily as the cause of fault, and highlighting that these hypocrisies existed well before us and hinder us notably more, it’s being defensive. You’ve literally taken shots at us prior, and I did not bring that up. Simply highlighted these issues are not the fault of France, and our HMD follows standards they’ve adopted previously.
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If the Rafale doesn’t get an HMD (which it will but let’s keep imagining) then it’s DOA. It is the single most important thing on any top tier airplane. You could give AMRAAMs and 9Ms to the F14D (for whenever it gets added) and it will still be vastly inferior to anything with an HMD even if that platform has fewer weapons or worse top speed or whatever. HMD makes any plane perform better, but especially French planes with the MICA. Given that it was always a feature but one France never wanted to pursue means it is a completely valid option for the Rafale. Yapping aside, the 6 missiles and lower number of countermeasures mean nothing so long as the HMD is added. This is a personal opinion and not an objective fact so I encourage dissenting opinions. Unless the MICA literally falls off the airplane like an unguided bomb and impales itself in someone’s house I don’t see the Rafale being anywhere below the top 3 for top tier aircraft so long as you’re not a bot and can avoid the first volley of spamraams.
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Shifting the goalpost HEAVILY here lmao, Im not in favor of ANY ahistorical things. If the EFT is overperforming, it should be nerfed accordingly, Gunjob and Flame have actual performance data for the EFT tho, and have already passed it to gaijin, so all I can do is trust itll be modelled as accurately as possible.
The EFT has also had ordinance denied, with many arguments for it to get 8 AMRAAMs, instead of the current 6, those were shot down just like the Rafale F3R getting 8 MICA’s were shot down.
Yes. Silly question, stop trying to shift the goalpost.
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It really isn’t. You accused the Rafale of receiving favourable treatment. Aerodynamics of Rafale’s construction should cause it to perform better in several areas that it currently doesn’t (supported by additions to future variants of EFT). This doesn’t seem favourable modeling to me. Let alone the AAM count not being fudged, when they could have just accepted the reports and followed through on them. In fact, I’m pretty sure they did accept one, but it isn’t being followed through on (Which is demonstrative of restraint, not favouritism). Or the AAMs still maintaining incredibly subpar functionality, in the face of a mountain of documentation. None of these seem particularly favourable.
But if you’re inclined to ignore examples unfavourable to your position, you’re really not worth the time of day.
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Im not in disagreement HMD is tremendously important in top tier. I just dont think things should be modelled ahistoricaly, and I think its extremely hypocritical to use the same justifications used to deny one nation something to add something to another.
The MICA’s should be fixed, the Rafale F3R should not get HMD (switch its name to F4.1 or remove the HMD, take your pick, either is historical), flight models should be as accurate as possible, “smart” flares or the 64 flare option should be added, and set the Rafale to the corresponding required BR for its performance.
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Because the vehicle theads are like football fans, if you say dare to question something or say anything that is perceived as negative, you will get trashed
i got trashed on Typhoon thread because I simply said that the first dev server FM of the Eurofigher was wrong lol
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