Before 20th thats for sure
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Link when ?
Hello,
This moderator is asking for secondary sources about the retrofitting of the Scorpion HMD, but the topic appears to be closed. Does anyone know how one could reach him?
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/y0cZOYYfJh9y
You won’t find a source for that, what the moderator is asking for is a source proving that it is impossible to retrofit the SCORPION on Rafale variants before the F4.1. But no source explains what cannot be mounted on the aircraft, only what can be mounted on it
Personally I don’t think it makes sense to be so against the Rafale getting HMD; Maybe I would have liked it to get TopSight since it was tested, but I’m sure it was tested with F3R
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Not sure how to prove that other than to provide pictures of previous JHMCS tests; TopSight, TopOwl.
imagine getting no HMD on live because of this
It can obviously be retrofitted to the F.3R, as the F4 is a retrofit as a whole. However a few sources indicate that you need to add stuff in the cockpit for the HMD to work, and that stuff is visibly not present on any F.3R so that’s the point I’d like to make.
Obviously they have been tested before but a Scorpion HMD is not plug and play on a regular F.3R
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Hey, I have took a look at the source you sent and sadly they cannot be accepted. I have however find sources that mentions 70-80km and more than 100km ( this 100km mark, under favourable conditions ). I have reported it internally,
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Its kind of a silly question, as the bug reporter points out its more likely that the HMD being “retrofitted” is part of the modification to the F4 standard, and as such an F3 with HMD is not possible.
Saying it “can be retrofitted” is technically true, as old aircrafts are being upgraded to the F4 standard, but its not like just sending the pilot in with the new helmet. Itd still likely require a hardware and likely software update to the aircraft, much like the recently upgrade F-22’s now have HMD’s which they did not have for the longest time because they were physically unable to, and congress did not want to pay the money to make the upgrade.
Id argue saying it can be retrofitted is only technically true. If you take an old aircraft standard and modify it to accommodate a new system, it is no longer part of the old standard, which I believe is also the point you were making in the bug report?
Its like saying “this is a wall with no windows” when it was originally a wall with no windows, but you put a window in it, and then trying to argue that its still a wall with no windows despite having a window in it because it USED to be a wall with no windows.
I believe that if they want to keep the plane an F3-R they can just give it another HMS as others were tested too.
D’autres modèles de viseur de casque ont aussi été intégrés sur Rafale pour répondre aux besoins spécifiques de certains clients export.
Those capabilities were tested in F3.3 likely. Regardless of this, if Rafale C F4.1 got Scorpion HMS, it means the helmet that was tested are at worse from F3-R, which is the variant we have in-game.
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Arguably possible, there are jets that use equipment from other nations (such as american F-5’s having RWR’s and flares). That being said, I think then you might have to prove that those jets remain F3R standards, since if you’re implementing other HMD’s from other Rafale standards, why would you not just implement the scorpion from the F4 standard and call it a day?
Im personally against the implementation of cross nation equipment or cross variant equipment, I think its a bit of a silly argument and didnt like it when it was used for the F-5’s. One of the defining features of the French Rafale F3R is that it DOESNT have an HMD, just like a defining feature of the German Eurofighter is that it doesnt have PIRATE or an LWS. If the Rafale gets an HMD, then the german EFT should get PIRATE and LWS and the Italian one should get LWS. theyre both capable of doing so and the brits have both, so why not the German and Italians too?
This is very much a “rules for thee, not for me” case if the F3R gets and HMD in-game after the German EFT was denied getting the PIRATE, which, unlike the Rafale, literally just requires the PIRATE to be installed, as the german EFT’s ARE capable of mounting them, and simply choose not to during peace time.
You might open a big can of worms fighting for this issue as a gaijin mod.
Rafale F3.3 were the “base” for export customers, those helmets were likely tested in that batch. I don’t see a valid reason for F3-R to “lose” this testings.
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Ok but then the point still stands. If the Rafale gets an HMD because export Rafales do despite the French NOT having it, then how are you going to sit here and justify the Italian and German EFT not getting LWS, and the German one not getting PIRATE?
There’s literally a better case for the German EFT to get PIRATE over the French Rafale F3R getting an HMD. It doesnt require a modification, its a drop in module, and ITS been denied by gaijin because the German EFT does not run it in service at the moment.
How well do you think the German community, that has been trying to get their EFT to get PIRATE not to just be the outright worst variant of the jet in-game, and being denied over and over, are going to take gaijin handholding the French players with an HMD they should not have for the EXACT same reason the German EFT isnt getting PIRATE?
Itd be a double standard and hypocrisy at its finest.
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I do hope when the Rafale arrives in War Thunder, that the stock MICA’s are on the fuselage since MICA is a Tier IV modification, researching the AASM among the first modifications while spading the Rafale out to bomb bases while still having the 2x stock MICA’s on the fuselage + Magic 2’s on the wingtips would make it significantly easier to spade it out.
Otherwise if the stock MICA’s take up the wing pylons where the AASM would go means I would have to choose between bringing 2x MICA or AASM’s…
Anyway, cant wait to acquire the Rafale when the update arrives.
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Id assume itll come with 2 fuselage MICA’s and 2 wingtip Magic II’s stock. The EFT originally had 2 wintip 9L’s and 2 wing mounted AMRAAM stock and it was bug reported as the stock AMRAAM’s would interfere with the ability to use the other 9L’s on the wings, making the 9L mod pointless until the AMRAAM mod was unlocked.
[DEV] Eurofighter Stock Loadout position should be changed
I see, hopefully that is the case with the Rafale when it comes onto live…
We’ll just have to wait and see
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complaining about having an HMD is wild
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this is so true, i have only ever seen it in this thread and the M2K lmao
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