Dassault Rafale - Variants, Characteristics, Armament and Performance

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7071

Not really, Given that so far, little to no bug reports have been submitted against the Rafale from the “british” community, but dozens of attempts have been made to nerf the Typhoon even though its been acknowledged by the devs (iirc) the Typhoons FM is likely underperforming (but might be within their margin of error)

(that Piiot guy has submitted about 15 failed bug reports to nerf the Typhoon and just attempted to argue the Typhoons FM is overperforming using footage from an airshow)

And yet the French community continues to try and nerf the Typhoon further. Despite its rather abysmal state accross the board currently (like the near useless radar and dozens of missing features that are present on the Rafale)

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7072

What are those “dozen features” tho ? The main complain I see people have agains the rafale (from EFT mains) are :

  • radar, not a missing feature since the one is mechanical, the other AESA. It’s true however that it’s far worse
  • The flight model, although mostly correct for the rafale, the only issue some have are the G limitation, but not really a “feature”, more of a performance gap, be it realistic art not
  • The FnF missiles, although it’ll be hard for gaijin to justify mm wave FnF missiles

I would even say the Rafale is “missing” features over the EFT, such as the proximity capability of the MAW thank’s to it’s PD

7073

the Rafale maw is IR/UV

7074

IR, and I know. If you read correctly, you would see that I put “” around the missing, and then I mention that it’s achieved thanks to the PD MAW of the EFT, implying that it is not something the rafale should have in game, which it doesn’t

7075

the sentence you used wasnt really nice to read, i mean look at this and tell me it is coherent:

this would be easier to read imo:

7076

Well, you have Priority track for example which would give it an AESA like quality, the recommended implementation at this time is C&Ping the recent AESA code over to the CAPTOR-M. and thats not including the PIRATE TWS overlay which would allow the IRST TWS to track 200 targets at the same time as the radar is maintaing track on 20 targets

But the Rafale skipped its PESA radar, so perhaps the Typhoon should skip to the CAPTOR-E. Just add the earlier variant of the Typhoon with CAPTOR-M in the future when it can actually be modeled in game.

The radar overall is on par with that found in the Su-27 in game, and its a joke its so bad. Iirc, the CAPTOR-M was considered superior to the PESA radar originally found on the Rafale.

Other features include things like the HMD IFF, FnF A2G weapons, missing MFD features, etc. Maybe dozens was me being hyperbolic, but there are more that im forgetting. The point is the Typhoon is without a doubt underperforming at this time and its annoying that every other update seems to add a new feature or buff to the Rafale and all we got last major update was more nerfs

Typhoon bug reports

The unfair nerf of the Eurofighter Typhoon - #18 by Dontkev

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7077

I disagree with that. Priority Track shouldn’t be a copy paste of an ESA mode. The fact that the radar has to physically move, even if fast, should incur holes or latency in the tracking pattern. This would need implementation of smarter tracking patterns tho, which I agree with.

Well tbf the Rafale Radar currently underperforms the real capabilities of the PESA RBE2, so that’s not really an argument

I disagree, the EFT still has a significantly better radar than the su27sm, but as I said previously I agree that it’s still very bad for top tier, we are just looping around radar issues at this point, it’s not a “dozen features”

This is indeed another thing, although in a quite old discussion DirectSupport had a discussion around that compared to the A10C and F16C

Well I’m not going to start a whole other discussion on the matter since it’s going to colmpletely derail, and Smin already answered it many times, but the Brimstone situation is complicated. While extremely strong the kh38mt and A[quote=“Morvran_, post:7076, topic:2873, full:true”]

Well, I’m not going to derail this (and have already mentioned this lack of capability), since skin answered on brimstone 1s FnF capabilities, but in addition, 18 brimstones would be far, far worse for balance than 6 AASM. at least AASM are easy to intercept, and there’s “”“only”“” 6 of them. 18 brimstones ? that’d be rough for ground

In fact, the EFT had more MFD features than the rafale on launch, with the (still not working correctly) load out MFD. As of now, I believe they both have the same MMD capabilities, and both are missing some stuff. It’s not missing anything to the rafale in that department

The rafale is also missing some key features, one of them is the time to target indicator for laser ordinance, making it harder to use the GPS + laser combo efficiently and hide when using it’s laser armements, (which I often prefer to use over the brainless FnF spam), when the EFT can do it with the Brimstones, as well as a CCRP in the cockpit (idk if EFT has it)

Edit : You could have a look at the first comment in the thread, where you’ll see the ton of reports for the rafale. All in all, accepted or pending, I believe there’s almost 90-100 (fixed, 900 is a bit much lol) reports for the rafale, while there are 60-70 for the EFT (this is an approximation, and I could be wrong)
Edit 2 : something happened to the quotes and I’m too tired to figure it out (should be fixed ?)

7078

at 333°/sec it would be minimal, and given its rarely going to have to maintain updates for more than a handful of targets as well, its probably not that big of a deal.

Complicated yes, but no less annoying. Especially as even the historically correct Brimstone 2s (which can be SAL only as well) have also been denied. Heck, we are missing about a dozen GBU options at the moment, its rather annoying just how afraid they are of giving the Typhoon even obsolete weapons at this point

No one is expecting 18x FnF to be accessible or cost the same as 6x FnF. Of course mitigation is required. But 0 multi-target engagement is annoying as hell, There must be a better solutiuon than SAL only.

Fairly certain the Rafale got some features last major update that the Typhoon is still missing.

There are a lot submitted internally by Gunjob, whilst I think most for the Rafale are submitted publically. I know there are quite a few internal suggestions like the VWS stuff and CAPTOR-E suggestion.

You also have non-Typhoon specific things like BOL as well. Which is driving us all rather mad.

7079

Nah a bunch were submitted internally as well

7080

66 total reports for Eurofighter, 90 total for Rafale. The numbers are including internal reports. It makes sense why Rafale might receive more “fixes” as the Rafale simply has more number of reports open on it (nearly 50% more).

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7081

Note that even after the Rafale had received 14 fixes last patch, it still left 90 remaining. And by the time we get to June dev server, we might see another 5-10 reports submitted by then making it around ~100.

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7082

Well.

You have a lot of bug reports related to AASMs in the list above, but none of the Brimstone related bug reports are in the list for the Typhoon currently.

Nor are the bug reports related to Aim-9M or AIm-120Bs.

So you could dismiss most of the reports regarding the MICA, and AASM from that list

Also a lot of the Rafale one seem rather minor, like unit measurements for the HUD. Sure should be fix, but not exactly game breaking.

Also Gunjob has quite a few internal reports I beleive.

But things like CAPTOR-M being totally broken should take priority over anything else imo.

and the Typhoon only got nerfs and not a single fix iirc

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7083

The numbers I have given are not from any of the public lists like those from Dontkev/WreckingAres. Instead, the total numbers of 90 for Rafale and 66 for Eurofighter are the total number of reports according to Gaijin so they include both public and internal reports. Gaijin’s list is more accurate as it is what the developers see.

7084

Constantly saying in multiple threads that X is bugged, Y is unrealistic, and Z needs to be fixed for X and Y reasons won’t change the fact that no one in this forum can take control about which problems get fixed and which don’t. Can we finally stop with this and go on? It doesn’t help anyone, it only fills threads with hundreds of unnecessary posts and pressure on Forum Mods.

I am not saying you can’t discuss about things that are wrong or missing, but these discussions shouldn’t reach such dimensions, that we need a Part 2 of three entire threads - everyone who deals with the matter knows that XYZ needs fixes.

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7085

I totaly aggree though it was the usual bait that lead to the discussion

Spoiler

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7086

Tbf, there’s no reason other players should stoop to their level and engage with said bait, so both parties are at fault here.

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7087

I think EuroBros forget that IR AASMs are still missing most of their functionality such as LOAL automatic target recognition as well as its ability to be slaved to Spectra. If the devs implemented that it would make the Brimstones look like stone age technology lmao

(Ah yes, talking about the Rafale’s armament is ‘off-topic’)

7088

You do know that Brimstones have the exact same capability and have had it since they entered service right?

In fact the Brimstone can do it better because it uses a MMW seeker instead of IR seeker and where the Rafale is limited to only 6 the Typhoon can carry 18 of them. Brimstone 2s match the range of the AASM, Brimstone 3s beat it and the Spear-3s blow it so far out of the water that its kinda hilarous to even try to compare them.

I know the Rafail holds a special place in your heart, but in this regard its so outdated its hardly even a competition. Heck, its so OP that gaijin has to give the Typhoon the earliest possible variant of the Brimstone and nerf so hard through the floor its hardly even recognisable as the weapon system its meant to be depicting

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7089

He’s just baiting you, leave it be

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7090

Yeah, still hilarious how much copium he has though

Especially as France was considering acquiring Brimstone 2s and I think i’ve even read somewhere they wanted to fit Spear-3s onto the Rafale

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