Just figured i could try to provide example code to help :p
And this is why we can’t have FnF, because you can delete up to 12 vehicles in a single pass without any line of sight to the target, MMW Brimstone is busted.
Tornado completing this kind of attack;
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Got any extra explanations on what we’re looking at in the 2 pics? Not sure what the cam view is of exactly, and the green image looks like a radar return but not exactly sure either there.
Not sure, for pic 1, pic 2 is a radar return for sure. I guess I could try and track down the guy who gave the presentation to ask haha. Give me a hot minute.
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@Mulatu_Astatke applying here to save detailing the Rafale thread.
That is literally Brimstone’d primary operating mode…
As already shown Brimstone has Automatic Target Recognition.
The Eurofighter can use its RWR to designated targets for Brimstone.
Ah yes a research paper investigating the use Convolutional Neural Network for target recognition in infrared surveillance systems. That does not prove that no other system could identify individual targets, it just shows that for that one research project they chose six target categories as a starting point to prove the technology.
Brimstone also uses radar (not IIR) and to my knowledge does not use CNNs. If you are going to discuss brimstone’s target recognition capability, I suggest you find something more relevant.
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Such as? Can it do anything more than distinguish a tank from a tree if they are standing within 50 metres of the other?
Maybe provide relevant sources? I’ve yet to see anything worthwhile. I mean, really you should know more than me…
Like talking to wall
It was designed to be deployed in target rich environments like tank convoys it can tell the difference but there is no point even mention this as anything that doesn’t fit your world view is just wrong according to you
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Its pretty simple, SAR imagery can be done at 94Ghz, same as the Brimstone seeker.
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No way! I would love to see that, could you send me the link please?
I do remember seeing them trying to mount Brimstone to vehicles but didn’t know it had been a success!
You’ve already been given plenty of sources showing it is capable of target recognition, which you have arbitrarily dismissed because “Britain is bad at target recognition” without proving any suitable evidence to support that assertion. So Frankly motivation is pretty low to spend a bunch of time digging through a massive pile of sources, just for you to dismiss them all out of hand again.
However I’ll give you one more chance to engage in a good natured discussion. These come from an Alenia Marconi Presentation on the Brimstone.
Unfortunately sources on Brimstone are quite hard to come by because it is for the most part still classified. Maybe in a few more years the archives will start opening up on it more.
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Again this says nothing. I’ve actually provided useful information that AASMs can target specific and unique targets even amongst cluttered environments.
At best, the Brimstone likely uses a combination of radar and IR to discriminate a vehicle from a tree. Which is - as I said - nothing special. Classification could simply refer to differentiating between two separate classes of ‘land vehicle’ and ‘false alarm’.
There is no evidence that Brimstones use 3D target models in their ATR algorithms like the AASM does. Rather, sources actually indicate that radar ATR is little better than ‘useless’ for an actual battlefield:
Spoiler
Why do you keep talking about IR in relation to Brimstone? I’d figure since you’ve clearly spent time looking at this, the most basic level of research would’ve told you there has never been any Brimstone variant with an IR seeker.
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I’m sure the russian tankers whose vehicles were hit by brimstone are overjoyed to hear brimstone could not hit them on an “actual battlefield” xD
Cuz he doesnt actually know what hes talking about and is purely arguing in bad faith.
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Oh, seems I misread someone’s earlier statements. Then Brimstones really are significantly worse than I thought.
Then again, a 5 minute Google search tells you how useless radar ATR is… so let’s call it even?
So you’re telling me, you were operating under the impression that it was IR, with no evidence, you where then corrected and yet still managed to again think it was using IR? Isn’t that a bit embarrassing?
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Yes, you proved that, but there is a slight issue. As can be seen by the data sheet, and by the targets, IR is used against bigger, static targets
Does it do the same against smaller, moving targets like tanks. Sources I have suggest no, but maybe you have something else
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Now show all the videos of Brimstones not hitting their targets… oh wait, they’d never be publicly released!
To be fair, Brimstones would be significantly better if they did have an IR seeker. I was being optimistic :)
Thats some very backwards logic on your part there