The HMD was tested, same for the M2K-5F and Gripen A which had tested them, same goes for extra missiles. French Rafale F3R also tested an Israeli towed decoy even if only in-service Indian Rafales use them. This is far different from M2K5F which was incapable of having 8 missiles, and was never tested with it. It is fantasy in that regard.
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Were the additional M2K5F missiles not from greek configurations?
The 4x Magic 2 configuration were from French and Greek Mirage 2000Cs. The pylons where the Super 530D can be carried was removed and made incapable for air to air missiles with the Mirage 2000-5s. No Mirage 2000-5s had that capability, even Greek ones.
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My understanding from this threads response is that the majority of this thread categorically disagrees with that statement.
Granted they could be disagreeing with the speed limit while agreeing with the SEP, but that does not seem to be the case at all. They seem to genuinly believe the Rafales SEP should be superior to all aircrafts at high speed/alt.
Its not unreasonable to believe both that the Rafale has a VNe of M2.0 and that it does not have the SEP to reach itbin level flight with full fuel and 4x missiles simultaneously, which is why I think the report discussing VNe in the title is a little misleading, as the report is mostly regarding SEP.
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Thanks for clearing that up :)
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Mirage 2000-5F loses 2 Magic 2, but Mirage 2000C gets 4x Magic 2 loadout? Sign me U P.
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The drone for the f5 might get derived engines of the Rafale from what the Minister of defense said in a interview in french.
There is also a part with the anechoic chamber.
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If I had to guess, would be a non-afterburning version like what LM did for the F-117
If f5 Rafale can be retrofitted, then I wouldn’t be surprised to see original m88 being repurposed to power the drones
But an eye for an eye make the whole world blind 😿
Though at the same time, seeing the EFT brought into line with something resembling reality would be nice. Though would be more keen on bringing its agility on par with the relative performance differences between EFT and Rafale in reality.
What do you imagine to be the “relative performance difference between the EFT and Rafale in reality” tho? Cuz my understanding of it is Rafale has better low speed and 1c performance, and EFT has better high speed and 2c performance, but what im getting from Rafale fans is “Rafale is the greatest aircraft in the history of the world in every way possible and the EFT should never have even been made cuz its totally worthless”…
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I thought it was an EFT thread for a moment lol
I am almost certain that someone’s already done you the courtesy of explaining the ways that each platform holds advantage or disadvantage IRL as compared to the ingame representation far better than I can/care to, presumably for every conceivable metric under the sun with how you carry on. If you insist on ignoring them unless it suits your narrative there’s nothing I, nor anyone else, can do for you.
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Right, so I ask you what in your opinion should be the relative performance differences between the 2 aircrafts, and your answer is “read the thread im sure someone else said it somewhere” Solid answer.
I know what the rest of the thread thinks the relative flight performance differences should be (as well as what they think of any source that suggests the Rafales flight performance is inferior in some flight regimes to the EFT’s), which is why I was curious to know what you specifically were refering to.
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like what is wrong with some of these people :sob:
its such a petty thing to do
Much of the inaccuracies in this game are due to reliance on second hand British accounts and documents as if they were primary sources.
Some of my own reports have been closed “because some obscure British document using outdated or poorly-sourced information about a weapon system that Britain didn’t even operate says otherwise”.
Case in point: AGM-130A-12 is missing GPS/INS guidance
Which was initially closed using some British documents … Forcing me to dig even more primary sources to show that the British document is inaccurate …
Or my reports on AMRAAMs weight (which should be heavier, based on primary American sources) which were ignored and closed because some old British document from a time when the missile wasn’t even fully developed yet and certainly the British didn’t operate it yet, with figures most likely based on the initial marketing proposals and estimates by the contractors, says otherwise …
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You Rafale guys are ever the victims.
If the 120 weight is incorrect there will be 100s of sources from the US alone.
Blaming Britain for it is ridiculous
HOT 2 penetration enters the chat.
Same old. Some British document comes up with some inaccurate data on the missile during its development (which they had no part in whatsoever) and gives a pen value of 700mm when primary state 1200+mm, which is what we have in game.
And they don’t even get the diameter of the missile correctly in the first place.
Also don’t mind me, I’m totally stealing your meme
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A lot of British ‘estimates’ are based on what they think their industry can produce. Considering how lacklustre British industry is compared to French, it means you get underestimations all the time.