Dassault Rafale - Variants, Characteristics, Armament and Performance

MICA IR happens to have datalink which the others don’t and more range (although ASRAAM has a lot of range as well).

The other thing is that 8x MICA IR can be carried by the Rafale while the same can’t occur for the EFT when it comes to the ASRAAM/IRIS-T. So more IIR missiles can be carried by the Rafale which contains datalink and ability to update mid-course even with the IRST while PIRATE can only initially fire it but cannot update mid-course which can mean ASRAAM and IRIS-T never finds the target in the first place.

Then there’s the issue of MICA NG IR, which contains 60% greater range. In the future we could see a potential loadout of 8x MICA NG IR.

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I predict that Rafale F4 standard for france tech tree start Rafale B F4.1

Rafale EH built on Rafale F3R but pre integrated domestic indian weapons and close to Rafale F4.1 standard

Ah yes, so it’ll blow up at 50.9km rather than 50.8 this time right?

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Gaijin moment

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F.3R serves as SOP (Standard of Preparation), basically as basis for export since ~2016. Indias EH has, unlike standard F.3R, hardware and other features from F.4, making it its own standard.

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Simply the information provided within.

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i wonder how this missile compares to the Peregrine

Very much untrue.

Is it tho ? last news from mbda on their official website said it would be 40% increase, even tho 70km would still be really good.

It could be more than the 40% but well, at least hopefully we will get either more news with the delivery of the mica ng or in 2026.

Are you sure ASRAAM cannot be data linked?

It has a LOAL feature would would suggest some sort of data link, it can also be guided by the PIRATE system

Never finds its target…no way it can track those massive heat emissions…

“The missile can be deployed using lock before launch capability to engage targets in the forward hemisphere. It can be launched in ‘lock after launch’ mode to engage targets beyond the seeker acquisition range.”

“The ASRAAM is guided by an advanced, accurate focal plane array Imaging Infra-Red (IIR) seeker developed by Raytheon. The passive homing guidance system provides the ability to significantly track, acquire and engage targets beyond visual range (BVR) under severe clutter and countermeasures environmental situations.”

This is all on the first version of ASRAAM considering we are now on Block 5/6 the missile will have only improved. It will be challenging to hide from an ASRAAM.
IRIS-T is a close range HOB similar to the AIM9X it will excel in close range engagements

Don’t be so quick to dismiss what other nations have.

2023 ASRAAM datasheet.pdf

Low altitude and the ranges the MICA excels at they really are a few changes in direction into the notch some chaff and change altitude and they will miss in most cases. It’s even easier if the shot comes from below as the seeker is not in PD filter mode and chaff will defeat it

There is not any reliable evidence to suggest it does. IIRC there is some evidence to suggest the Block 6 might have it, but MBDA have been very tight lipped about what Block 6 actually involved, other than it being a bunch of improvements and a new seeker.

Not really, it could just be going off inertial guidance.

He mean it is possible that if fired at long range on inertial guidance the target could have moved by the time the missile is within range to lock on.

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There’s some things that can be ascertained but for now we don’t still yet have dimensions for the Peregrine missile currently.

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3rd part guidance would suggest a form of DL?

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No, it means a third party can send information to the launch aircraft, which can then be used to cue the missile.

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I assumed before that ASRAAM had datalink, but then I was corrected. I couldn’t even find the datalink receiver on the missile itself. Missiles typically have datalink receivers which are visible on the rear. Here are some examples:

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120-datalink

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Interesting the LOAL mode must have a pretty wide seeker then.

You’re still wrong. The AIM-120 is reliable out to almost 20km, whereas the MICA barely gets to 10. The AIM-120 is significantly better at medium ranges than the MICA.

Interestingly the CAMM and Sea Ceptor have 2 way data link.
And they are both based off the ASRAAM the functionality is there if they wanted to add it.

It should be noted that CAMM is confirmed to have a two-way datalink, but does not appear to have a visible datalink antenna. Some images of CAMM do show four bumps located around the tail of the missile (it’s surprisingly hard to find clear photos of CAMM), but they appear to be the exhaust ports for the turnover pack.

Meteor is also another notable example without a visible datalink antenna (IIRC it is mounted inside one of the intake fairings).

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