Dassault Rafale - Variants, Characteristics, Armament and Performance

Ah yes, so it’ll blow up at 50.9km rather than 50.8 this time right?

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Gaijin moment

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F.3R serves as SOP (Standard of Preparation), basically as basis for export since ~2016. Indias EH has, unlike standard F.3R, hardware and other features from F.4, making it its own standard.

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The issue is not with the origin of the source. There is no dispute on that there.

Simply the information provided within.

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i wonder how this missile compares to the Peregrine

Very much untrue.

Is it tho ? last news from mbda on their official website said it would be 40% increase, even tho 70km would still be really good.

It could be more than the 40% but well, at least hopefully we will get either more news with the delivery of the mica ng or in 2026.

Are you sure ASRAAM cannot be data linked?

It has a LOAL feature would would suggest some sort of data link, it can also be guided by the PIRATE system

Never finds its target…no way it can track those massive heat emissions…

“The missile can be deployed using lock before launch capability to engage targets in the forward hemisphere. It can be launched in ‘lock after launch’ mode to engage targets beyond the seeker acquisition range.”

“The ASRAAM is guided by an advanced, accurate focal plane array Imaging Infra-Red (IIR) seeker developed by Raytheon. The passive homing guidance system provides the ability to significantly track, acquire and engage targets beyond visual range (BVR) under severe clutter and countermeasures environmental situations.”

This is all on the first version of ASRAAM considering we are now on Block 5/6 the missile will have only improved. It will be challenging to hide from an ASRAAM.
IRIS-T is a close range HOB similar to the AIM9X it will excel in close range engagements

Don’t be so quick to dismiss what other nations have.

2023 ASRAAM datasheet.pdf

Low altitude and the ranges the MICA excels at they really are a few changes in direction into the notch some chaff and change altitude and they will miss in most cases. It’s even easier if the shot comes from below as the seeker is not in PD filter mode and chaff will defeat it

There is not any reliable evidence to suggest it does. IIRC there is some evidence to suggest the Block 6 might have it, but MBDA have been very tight lipped about what Block 6 actually involved, other than it being a bunch of improvements and a new seeker.

Not really, it could just be going off inertial guidance.

He mean it is possible that if fired at long range on inertial guidance the target could have moved by the time the missile is within range to lock on.

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There’s some things that can be ascertained but for now we don’t still yet have dimensions for the Peregrine missile currently.

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3rd part guidance would suggest a form of DL?

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No, it means a third party can send information to the launch aircraft, which can then be used to cue the missile.

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I assumed before that ASRAAM had datalink, but then I was corrected. I couldn’t even find the datalink receiver on the missile itself. Missiles typically have datalink receivers which are visible on the rear. Here are some examples:

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120-datalink

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Interesting the LOAL mode must have a pretty wide seeker then.

You’re still wrong. The AIM-120 is reliable out to almost 20km, whereas the MICA barely gets to 10. The AIM-120 is significantly better at medium ranges than the MICA.

Interestingly the CAMM and Sea Ceptor have 2 way data link.
And they are both based off the ASRAAM the functionality is there if they wanted to add it.

It should be noted that CAMM is confirmed to have a two-way datalink, but does not appear to have a visible datalink antenna. Some images of CAMM do show four bumps located around the tail of the missile (it’s surprisingly hard to find clear photos of CAMM), but they appear to be the exhaust ports for the turnover pack.

Meteor is also another notable example without a visible datalink antenna (IIRC it is mounted inside one of the intake fairings).

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thats like the one thing that is kind of known though lol. it is 6ft long and 150lb according to raytheon

says 9X manuevrability and AMRAAM range, i think referring to C-5 or C-7 bc i doubt its matching the 120D

So 68kg. Raytheon is being quite generous saying it is matching any of the AMRAAM’s range. Maybe with excessive loft and battery time it is, but otherwise it is not gonna have enough energy itself. 68kg is lighter than even the AIM-9s. They also stated that the Peregrine is likely to have multi-mode seeker, both radar and IR. That will add unnecessary weight to the missile.

Part of the reason why MICAs will still lack range in general compared to other fox 3s, even if its range got fixed, is because it does not have the inertia that comes with weight. AIM-120s and other missiles have inertia that carry them forward and sustains that energy. This will be even worse with the Peregrine as it will lack that inertia. I don’t believe it will have the energy to match that of the AIM-120A itself.