Dassault Rafale - Variants, Characteristics, Armament and Performance - Part 2

Better say: “what are the options not available for Japan”

That tree is gonna basically get every possible top tier there is, including even the Su35.

tbh after encountering multiple BUK missiles, they aren’t that harder to notch than regular 120s, and they have 3.5° FOV afaik

TVC and raw acceleration also play a major part.

That being said it is my personal belief that missiles across the board are just too easy to notch up close. A harder to notch AMRAAM could help even the playing field, especially against people who like to notch last minute

What ASEAN nation ordered Su-35?

Highly likely that Indonesia did, as of recent news.

I think in the upcoming months we might have more info, usually takes time I guess.

Not all radar seekers have angle-gating. The Phoenix and Fakour missiles lack angle-gating. Do the BUK missiles have angle-gating?

I think so, but don’t quote me on that X)

I did a cursory search, Indonesia doesn’t have Su-35s and as far as I know, they have to get it into inventory before they can even qualify to get it in-game. Thailand still doesn’t have Gripen E yet.

I’m not entirely sure that would stop Gaijin from potentially adding them, but I’ll be happy to be told the opposite.

Afterall, as I agreed with panther before, they just take away the originality from other trees.

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The notch gate is pretty much the same for all missiles, for example notching an AIM-120 or MICA-EM is pretty much the same, but what you do when in that notch matters alot more for MICA-EM than it does for AIM-120. I’d suggest watching the angle gating video I linked.

Regarding the SAM’s from my own experience the BUK missiles require more effort to defeat than ground launched AMRAAM’s.

How did that saying go in the old forum “French pilots are the best in war thunder” or some other meme like that.

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What he is refering to, is the fact that Buk angle of half sensitivity is 3,5, so half of mica. (left is Buk, right is C7
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It is however mitigated by the fact the missile goes active at insane ranges
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I’m aware.

You have to chaff like twice as fast once you’re in the notch to defeat mica compared to other missiles.
Otherwise it’s the same.
Mostly affects planes with lower chaff counts like the Russian planes, and not really planes with BOL and in general lots of cms.

More complex than just the number of the required chaff. As chaff works against angle gating at different ranges based on size BOL/STD/LRG. BOL and STD only defeat a missiles angle gating at a much shorter range than LRG.

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Even if a missile doesn’t go into angle gating, it’s always at least forced to go into iog (if you stay in the notch and the guy firing at you isn’t dling it) which means you can switch pitch direction and pull out of it.

Does it matter what size chaff is used to force the missile in iog?

Ig that is angle gating but from what I understand angle gating is just the missile going into iog and not biting on chaff due to the speed difference.

Though yeah because mica can require much faster it is more dangerous.

Out of curiosity, what kind of modifications did you do to it to get 19 degrees/s? And how can one do all that in statshark?
Because even when I add 50% internal fuel, 500Kg more, 9G limiter, AOA limits to 25 degrees etc. I still see around 20.5 degrees.

Edit: nvm I guess its not at sea level?

You would have to ask @YEARoftheEAGLE what changes he made to the FM. But it allegedly resolves the high speed retention as well as the low speed lack of lift.

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No need to thank me

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Btw are you a MICA IR or EM

I prepped ahead, so both. Even NG, when it comes (just general).

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