Honestly not surprised.
According to their claim change will not effect too much and considering they also can’t model it hundred percent accurate they didn’t bother to begin with.
Still I would like to see more realistic Rafale rather than spaceship that flies like it has no air drag.
Tbf, the rafale is far from the only plane that is overperforming at high altitude. It’s just that overperforming over an already good model is the main issue, especially when not every plane get the same « treatment »
Thankfully everyone subscribed to this report and saw the response and things can be put to rest in this regard.
We’re still waiting for developers to resolve a slew of other reports in the meantime including the stall performance aspect for example.
This is fundamentally untrue however if you compare supersonic turn rates to published values. For instance F-16 supersonic turn rates match published values while Su-27 and Rafale greatly exceed publicly available information. This is simply laziness on the part of the developers.
I would suggest the developers buff the supersonic turn rates and energy retention of all planes to have a uniform amount of overperformance then instead of current system of pick and choose what metrics they want to meet in non uniform manner.
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Idk why people flagged your comment…
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As I said, it seems that some jets overperform, while others don’t.
In general, it’s seems it had to do with high AOA planes/delta jets, which get overly reduced drag at supersonic speeds.
It would explain why the Su27, Rafale, but also the mirages, all have this exact same issue.
For example, the Mirage 2000 got its drag very unrealistically reduced to match its VNE at both sea level and high altitude.
I really don’t think it’s « laziness » on the FM dev side, rather a poor supersonic implementation for non standard jets
it isnt
the EF has a pretty steep fall off in its SEP curves at high speeds and high alt
gaijin is clearly able to do that
they just dont want to do it
Doesn’t it have a huge fall off at all speeds and altitudes simply due to the 20º AOA engine power nerf or something like that tho ?
Not sure, but Rafale is definetly unique in the sheer amount of drag its missing at high alt. Yes, its not the only one overperforming in that regime. Typhoon is doing something like 1.4°/sec too much STR at alt. But the Rafale is kinda insane at the moment. Especially given their usual default is to make aircraft underperforming in-terms of drag if they need to shoehorn stats to fit known variables. Like the Tornados are missing a notable chunk of top speed at the moment due to excess amounts of drag
There is no engine power nerf based on AoA.
I think hes confusing the high drag of the Typhoon lowering airspeed and thus engine output
They did a soft-announcement of the Rafale before the conflict, so it is unrelated. In the F-35 FAQ officially announced in January of 2025, (you can google it and find it, I’m not allowed to link it here) you can see in their last question/answer that the Rafale was hinted when someone asked if the F-35 addition would be unbalanced.
This is just to reiterate that the flight model is fixable. It’s just lack of interest on the part of the developer.
January stats are out now on statshark. The January stats for Rafale C is the same for December and November despite Su-30SM2, Gripen E, J-10C, and AESA Typhoons being added as competitions. The winrate, kills per death and kills per sorties remained the same despite increasing threats indicating that Rafale players have been adjusting to the new competitions.
In the meanwhile? SU-30SM2’s stats went down slightly across the board and arguably that is the best plane in the game and remains to have nearly 15% lower winrate than the Rafale C while the Rafale M’s winrate shot up by 4% compared to December.
Well that was unexpected. I thought that the introduction of stronger aircraft would balance things out but i gess rafale players are on something different.
I’d wager it’s mostly that people can’t help and “Nah I’d win” a Rafale in close range, and promptly get a MICA up bum.
Shoutout to the “Su30SM2 should be weakened” thread that was predicting the thing to be a turbo nuke machine before even releasing, and turned out to be just a bunch of copers.
What makes you say it’s the best?
Aside from missile count and the radar (mostly for its gimbal limits), everything else is in favour of the Rafale and will continue to be.
No one really has a MICA EM equivalent yet bar maybe the R-77-1 and Aim-9Ms have barely worked in the past few months. So not really that surprising. Still waiting on AMRAAM buffs for example
Yeah right the players… Surely.
Well it depends on what you would call the best then I suppose. For me match impact is what matters most and the Su-30SM2 has more impact on the match than the Rafale because of its kit and radar. I also usually defer to players better than me on what the best is, and some esport players have told me that the Su-30SM2 is better. You also have Bad_Karma stating that the SU-30SM2 is the new top tier king.
Then what changed on the Rafale for it to remain having the same stats despite every tech tree besides the US getting better planes? No buff occurred in the December patch for it. The only factor left when everything else is controlled is the players.
