Nah, you see when I decide what planes are gonna be in each update I can’t make everyone happy so I always try to alternate fairly, so you can’t get it this time. But I’ll make sure to add it in a future update for sure /j
I wouldn’t call it overperforming since it would just be remodeled into essentially at worst could be argued a sidegrade that would become exceptional at targeting SPAAs.
IRL, the Rafale would be able to fire AASM-IR at enemy SAM radar signatures, and then it would travel to the enemy positions where it would then home in on SAMs even if they turned off their radar and repositioned.
Compare it to the AGM-88 HARM, where it can be defeated by the main radar shutting off and relocating. So the AASM-IR’s true capabilities would be more like the AGM-88E AARGM which is essentially a HARM that has an active radar for terminal guidance in case the enemy SAM turns off the radar and relocated.
Essentially by asking that Gaijin model the AASM-IR correctly, you’re asking for France to have an equivalent of AGM-88E AARGM which no one has in-game and is considered too advanced to be added currently.
its just a complete nerf, since LOAL does not exist in the game at all, it would be nerfed to a GNSS IOG bomb. LOAL was one of the main reasons brimstones fnf targeting was denied as well.
Even if we argue it keeps that, it essenetialy would perform the same against spaas as it currently already does. again spaas performance mostly would not change
IRL i could do the same with my brimstones, but they get denied their fnf capability completly.
so the solution would be to nerf it to GNSS /IOG bombs, well there is the laser variants optionaly as well
Edit: Stop abusing flags cause u dont like facts. Nothing i wrote was wrong or against rules
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This isn’t true, as it is right now you have to take your Rafale/Mirage and get close enough to the SPAAs where you can get shot down and you’re vulnerable since you need to get within lock-range of the IR seeker. A correctly modeled AASM-IR would allow you to fire at more than 70km away, far from any of the current threats.
Since Gaijin has now taken to doing things in fantasy land, and according to Gunjob even just a mockup along with a product brochure would be enough to get Spear glide suggested, Gaijin could replace the AASM-IR with 18x SmartGlider which does have a product brochure.
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You’re just speaking of « what ifs ».
Gaijin has implemented AASM and other missiles wrongly on purpose to simplify their life’s. Modeling the missile correctly would need to… model the missile correctly.
You are just saying that because the AASM doesn’t work as it should, it should simply be nerfed to a point where it doesn’t even start behaving more realistically by forcing a potential mechanic in a game that does not implement that mechanic in anyway (yet).
It would be like saying that we should remove brimstones 1 and give the realistic brimstones 2 to the EFT, but because MMW lock isn’t a mechanic they’ll just be IOG and nothing else
wouldnt realy care, eft weirdlya already gotr spice as well.
The implementation of that would be on gajin then
we dont have brimstone 1, we have the dual mode with laser head.
The brimstone is correct just doesnt have mmw capability, so that comparison is plain wrong.
btw, jsut so that you know. Brimstone 2 wouldnt be IOG only without MMW.
You have:
- Brimstone 1 - MMW+IOG
SAL was added to add a MITL functionality to the Brimstone, so they could be used in cluttered environments and against targets without RCS signatures, aka, so they could be used in COIN operations - Brimstone Dual-mode - SAL + MMW + IOG
All Brimstone seekers retained the SAL functionality for obvious reasons - Brimstone 2 - SAL + MMW + IOG
- Brimstone 3 - SAL + MMW + IOG
- Spear-3 - SAL + GNSS + MMW
- Spear-EW - ECM/Decoy version of the Spear-3, not sure its “seeker” persay, but probably GNSS if nothing else
- Spear-Glide - IR/EO + GNSS
The fact is, you can argue all you want about MMW and how it could and should be modeled. But we should have had SAL Brimstone 2s since the Typhoon was first added. Maybe even sicne the Tornado GR4 given the SAL Brimstone 1s were and still are useless on that airframe. Spear-3s in a GNSS only configuration would also be quite good to get (would need 0 drift to be usable, but I think thats a fair compromise for not having MMW for now)
Also, is it confirmed that we’re not getting some form of LOAL next patch? If we’re getting LOAL for IR missiles, then it’s perfectly acceptable for AASM-IR to be correctly modeled.
That’s not what he said though. He said “product launch” which could be interpreted a few different ways (e.g. a functional weapon being made available for integration).
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The context was that there isn’t enough information currently but a product launch from MBDA would provide that information. So what else could he be referring to from MBDA that would provide enough information for it to be suggested than a product brochure?
Has to be atleast a functioning weapon, Smart Glider is just mockups as far as I know?
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In context for Suggestions; has at least to be partitically built with unique parts - or generally speaking at least been tested to some degree.
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So can probably make a suggestion for Spear-glide but highly unlikely it would actually get added
Yes, SmartGlider has a production date of 2030, so I don’t think it’s reasonable to assume it’s gotten past the mockup stage as of now.
Or that the weapon is not yet in an advanced enough state (e.g. functional) to be added? But the product being launched (as in made available as a functioning weapon) would fulfil the criteria.
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Then that is a fair correction to state and I’ll have to take that specific statement back.
Although if Gaijin is going to add functional weapons (SPICE bombs) to an aircraft such as the non-existing Eurofighter AESA (at the time) which is a bit different than the planned integration onto the non-existing Eurofighter EK, then I don’t see why we shouldn’t make the sidestep of having non-functional weapons (Smartglider) onto existing aircrafts especially if there’s enough surface-level information to have it modeled.
My point still stands tho. Gaijin doesn’t implement dual mode. JAGM thus is added in 2 separate variants. So in that regards, 2 Brimstones 2 should be added by the devs. One SAL + IOG, and one with only IOG, because MMW is not added in the game.
And if you think it’s stupid, it’s because it is. Like it would be to nerf the AASM just for the sake of nerfing it, because the actual mechanic it should rely on does not exist in game
Id actually quite like a GNSS only version of the Paveway 4 and Spear-3 because it would enable their carrage without a Tpod, currently, even if I have no intent to use the laser, Im still required to run a tpod.
But I think Gaijin should model things historically accurately, for better or for worse, not the selective realism they currently employ
i have no idea what you are on about, essentialy nothing would change for the brimstone at its implementation and the AASM would/should be nerfed
the precedent was set when they allowed kh-29ts to act like mavericks in terms of target tarcking…
IMO removing stuff like this now is non sensical after it being in the game for so many years.