More likely they add a earlier variant with pesa radar, like they should have from the start in my opinion
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All adding a variant with pesa would’ve done is reduce max number of missiles.
Pesa and aesa are modeled the exact same in game (currently) so the radar would still be oppressive.
Heck the su30sm currently has the fastest scan speed in the game as a pesa, with more than 200 degrees a second in its widest scan mode
I’d expect:
- Rafale F1 or F2 with what we currently have
- Rafale F3R gets mica ir when we get others new gen ir missiles
- Rafale F4 with mica ng and perhaps meteors, depends where the meta is at that time
- Rafale F5 in a long time with full set
Is there really that much of a difference between gan and gaas aesa? I’ve seen people glazing the su-57s GaN l band aesa arrays, but what difference would going from GaAs to GaN even do?
Feel like going from pesa to aesa is already more than a big enough jump
When France had went from RBE2 PESA to RBE2 AESA, the radar range gain was 50%+.
France is expected to go from RBE2 AESA to RBE2-XG (for Rafale F5) with radar range gain of 70%+.
So the radar range addition from GaA to GaN is bigger than PESA to AESA.
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Here’s an article that goes into the technical details but my general understanding is that, with the current available tech of GaAs and GaN radars, GaN radars are more powerful, reliable, and efficient, while GaAs radars excel at things that require low-noise like EW, and are cheaper to produce, and a more mature technology. I could be missing some key details though, since I havent done a whole lot of digging into this stuff yet, and am basically just giving a TLDR of the linked article.
So, with my current understanding, GaN radars will likely have no real advantages in WT with the current state of maps and radar modelling.
Sorta off-topic blurb:
Interestingly, the ECRS Mk.0 is a GaAs radar, the ECRS Mk.1 is a GaN radar, and the ECRS Mk.2 is a hybrid GaN/GaAs radar. The better EW performance of GaAs radars might explain why despite Germany developing the ECRS Mk.1, and selecting it as its next EFT radar, they are allegedly buying 15 ECRS Mk.2’s, presumably for the Eurofighter EK, which would make sense, since the jet is supposed to be a dedicated EW/SEAD variant of the EFT.
@Flame2512 or @Gunjob would probs know more details iirc.
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simply afaik, GaN can allow higher voltages than GaAs
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There’s more to it than that, but it is one aspect yeah
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If Gaijin do this they really need to go back and update/change older models tho,
E.g. the F3R should lose HMD, the Gripen A should lose HMD and Litening. Just so that there is actually a differentiating factor between models that isnt just what missiles they can carry
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GaN is basically twice more conductive
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side note, GaN and Germanium (useful for IIR sensors) are mostly found in one country, and every country not aligned with it are scrambling to find other sources as we speak.
It’s that important for advanced weaponry
A fascinating subject really
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Pretty sure this is completely wrong btw, newest article I can find discussing the RBE2-XG’s performance uplift state a range increase of 20-30%, not even half the “70%+” you’ve claimed…
The only reference I’ve been able to find regarding the “70%” number you’ve stated is this:
Which, if its your source for the “70%+” claim, is a flagrant misreading of what’s actually said. “Tout deux pourraient s’accroitre de 70%.” Does not mean “a 70%+ increase in range”, it would be more accurately translated to “Both features (detection range and resolution) could be improved by up to 70%.”
I’d be curious to see where they got the 70% number in the first place though, seeing as its a fan-site and though they do “have” a source page, they dont actually follow proper source notation making it impossible to tell if there was a source used for the 70% claim in the first place, and if so, what source was used (cant even tell which source was used for the specific article in question, since their source page is for the whole website…), and I have not found any other mention of the performance uplifts of the RBE2-XG over the RBE2-AA besides the “20-30%” claimed in the other article, a far cry from the massive 70% you and that website claim…
Its possible that there’s some older source stating that up to 70% performance uplift was theorized for the RBE2-XG, but that said numbers never ended up manifesting, particularly when you consider the RBE2-XG is as of now working with an 8y delay over initial plans, suggesting maybe things arent going so well with its development…
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Nah not necessarily, the F3R can very much keep all its features and we can have an earlier Rafale inserted before, wouldn’t be the first time Gaijin inserts vehicles in a line… They do this all the time.
Actually the F3R should keep its features since it will go up with the meta, while earlier Rafales can come to replace it at current tiers and they’ll be more balanced.
You don’t seem to realize that the F3R came way too early and with its full weapons suite it would be more on par with stuff like the F-15EX or Su-35S, at that tier it will definitely need these capabilities.
Not really, it shouldn’t have a HMD anyway, F.4.1 receives the HMD afaik, also F3R is the 2018 standard is it not?
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Well, you know that Mirage 2000-5 barely got any new missiles (up until Seek and Destroy ofc), its A2A loadout is pretty much just the same. I don’t think they really need to add MICA-IR if they want to release F4. Like, the Mirage 2000C we had in the game is the -S5, the latest C Series which had newer engine, radar, and also A2A loadout. I kinda “Believe” that if F4 ever come, then Gaijin had a reason to remove extra MICA Pylons for the sake of F4 being unique.
And the other thing that makes F4 also unique is their engine which iirc, was reported by DS to had newer M88 Engine (which actually can be used to F3-R too retroactively). Other than that, can be simply copypasted for sake of Gaijin slop.
If Gaijin would consider this, then we can expect Rafale M or something earlier Rafale C to be event version 💀
The thing is that they would all be the same br…
Any rafale with micas (which is all of them) are going to be meta,
Even with 2 less missiles it would be still top tier material
Overall, one major advantage of GaN radars is that, because they can get much more power in concentrated areas, they are also much better at jamming. For example, RBE2 XG is also supposed to massively increase the rafale Jamming capabilities
Well the hmd was tested on the F3R I believe which is why Gaijin allowed this. And I agree it would be more realistic to have the F3R without hmd, but I’m not sure it would do that well at higher tiers when it goes up without it
For the next Rafale why not Rafale M since if I don’t get wrong some of us here wait for this variant ?
i hate to break it all,… but i was playing F-2A to grind it’s modules, and this:
was only considered a “Critical Hit”, and i wasn’t even get rewarded an assist, despite him dieing quite soon after,…
that AIM-7M exploded at less than 2meters from the cockpit,…
i’m no expert, but this critical hit only is frugal
It’s literally written in what you posted that 20-30% increase is for RBE2 AESA GaN for late F4 variants
70% is in fact the one associated with the increase rbe2 xg is planned to bring
No point in discussing it that much, the radar doesn’t exist for now. For now it’s sit tight and wait