Dassault Rafale - Variants, Characteristics, Armament and Performance - Part 2

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Tbf, it seems ASRAAM might be worse than AMRAAM for HOBS as it is currently, so it might be a case of “be careful what you ask for”

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Ooof that doesn’t look good…

That’s cuz current CAMM is broken.
It’s fin AoA is too small, it does not reach its intended G pull. It also has this weird delay while launching, that also makes it less maneuverable than it should be.
Probably other things I have not checked, but thats going off topic.

CAMM is extremely poorly modeled at the moment

And who is to say that the ASRAAM won’t have the same fate?

Yeah I believe it’s broken too, should be way better than AIM-9M but currently it isn’t and might be ported over to the ASRAAM as I don’t see any open reports on its maneuverability for now.

Probably will be, but should still be better than Aim-9Miss. Though ASRAAMs strength isnt found in a dogfight, its a bit of an exception. Others though like IRIS-T and Aim-9X would certainly close the currently performance gap in terms of HOBS vs Non-HOBS

It will be better overall than AIM-9M in terms of range and seeker but not HOBS (if maneuverability doesn’t get fixed).
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Again, comparing current CAMM with what ASRAAM Should be like is doom to failure, ASRAAM should be better

Well what do you mean by ASRAAM should be better than current CAMM? Shouldn’t even CAMM be better than current CAMM?

It has the potential to be a great competitor to EAP in the “make Smin go crazy with unarmed planes” category

If the fin AoA of the CAMM was set to 35 degrees, total mass of the missile reduced to 88.91kg(to represent asraam). I would be interested to see how it performs again here.

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Accurate NATO munition? Impossible…

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camm (asraam) with the changes you suggested, the only change to pid values i did was removing loft

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i don’t think the physical characteristics of the missile is the main problem, and i don’t know how to solve the problem

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When they will add Rafale C F4 into the game ?

Intruiging, yes that suggests its the PID controller not being aggressive enough. So would need those changes too.

Ahhh, what if you remove these lines(or set them all to 100%), the PID might need tuning too

How do they both perform if you set the PID controller to this?

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identical results to the first screenshots i sent

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Hmmm, so it must be the PID controller, or the proportional navigator being set to 6 instead of 4.

Good question, it depends on several factors.

The Rafale C F3 currently in-game is already the highest performing vehicle at 14.7 and is a good candidate to be moved up to 15.0 further lessening the need for Rafale F4 similar to how it went up to 14.7 with the new additions such as Su-30SM2 and AESA-Typhoons.

There’s a strong possibility that next-gen missiles might come this year and this can change the need for Rafale F4.2 or not. If they’re going to add next-gen radar missiles, the MICA NG EM is only going to be available on the Rafale F4.2 and but it is not in-service and neither is the missile. They could either fudge the missile/plane and add them anyway or they could buff the MICA-EM on the Rafale F3R and move the F3R up again.

If they’re adding next-gen IR missiles instead of radar, they could add the MICA-IRs to the current F3R, further moving up the F3R and lessening the need for F4 again, unless they decide to lock it behind the F4.1 to force players to grind for a new missile.

Just for clarity, the Rafale F4.1 doesn’t meaningfully change anything much in terms of air to air over the current F3R in-game.

However if they do decide to add Rafale F4.1 for countries such as Japan, then I could see them adding it to France as well.

proportional navigator multiplier with a higher number would be more helpful in this situation, higher numbers means the missile will try to lead more into the target but will wobble when it needs to fly in a straight line