nvm acutally
Gaijin guesstimate. Not evidence. Sources state 11000. (10995) Gaijin thinks it’s 11300
They just like nerfing the EFT
TLDR. They think it’s marketing lies (also the DAs were likely heavier than production airframes)
Riddle me this, if this is not the weight for the DA7 is the actually weight for the current Typhoon find me the correct weight for the DA7 or in game Typhoon that specifically states the variant.
Flame tried.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/D32jwFfYLKDZ
What dropped for 11700 to 11300 instead of the reported 11000
Because we know the DA7 is lighter but we only two number’s given, the greater than number and less than number. The DA7 will be the less than number and the new Typhoons by process of elimination the greater number. Its also important to note Gaijin may have source you may not be able to see or know about.
Why?
Da7 likely is heavier. Because it would had test equipment and non refined/not final production equipment installed. Resulting in a greater weight
Unless you have a primary source that clearly states the weight is 11300 and not just parroting Gaijin because hello… Gaijin is the worst researcher in the world. Just look at BOL
In a funny manual dated 2003 that I don’t want to post here for very clear reasons but you cant easily find by searching up for the DA7 it does state 11300kg empty and it defines what is means by empty pretty clearly. You can have fun with that info.
I already feel i have said too much lol
So… Classified docs. Given they can’t be used… I guess we should go for remaining sources.
Though… Those primary docs apparently factor in things that Gaijin does not… So actually might be 300kg higher than what Gaijin sets it too
Anyway this is the Rafale thread. If you have a primary source for it being 11300 please post it on the typhoon thread. In the meantime. I will continue operate under the assumption that Gaijin “marketing lies” it again
You know that’s 1.3 tons per engine right?
2.6 tons to 1.7 tons. Higher TWR.
Just do the maths with the current in game Empty weights of both and the current given thrust of both. Idk what else to tell you. Because idk what you mean by 1.3 tons per engines? The single engines of both produce greater than 7 tons of forces
I see what you mean now mb
My statement was wrong be a tiny bit. The Rafale weighs 9550kg empty and produces 14660kfg total. That equals a T/W of 0.001 greater than the EFT if you do the math of (8670*2)/11300
The Rafale currently in game given the stats has a higher T/W at sea level, end of
Yeah… it shouldn’t
Weird.
Well I didn’t believe it either until I realized mabey the EFT is not as Hyped up thrust wise as I thought. Given the primary sources of both to form what we have in game this is the reality and fact of the matter until something else comes up. Unless you want to lie to yourself and wear a tin foil hat because “no the French can’t make a good fighter jet!, this is impossible! And M-m-my Typhoon is British and has such strong enigines? Gaijin is clearly gimping the typhoon of its true powaaaaaa!!!” Not saying this is anyone hear btw, but if you feel offended that says a lot lol.
Isn’t there a brochure that directly states 10995 for the eft?
Although I do agree with the current weight as it closely corresponds to le funny manual anyways.
Rafale being stronger than the eurofighter in terms of thrust to weight isn’t surprising anyways, eurofighter in the esr d requirements was supposed to weight 10.5 tons, and it ended up ballooning to over 11 tons due to future creep (which btw makes me question the validity of the eurofighter flight model being modeled off esr d requirements - how on earth is it supposed to keep the same performance while being around 700 kg heavier)
Well Gaijin have stated time and time again publicly that they would NEVER use values from a classified documents, and that anyone who posts a restricted document would be permanently banned (pretty much without right to appeal). So it would be highly hypocritical if nothing else.
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Or the fact that IF the document in question was being used to model the EFT under the assumption that gaijin had seen them, then they are willingly mismodelling aspects of the EFT covered in said document quite significantly and to the detriment of its performance as a combat platform…
Overall its a horrible argument they’re using, and not one we should even be having on the forums considering their rules
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Anyway, typhoon weight discussion should go either in the battlefield thread or dedicated EFT threads
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EFT subject?
here: Eurofighter vs Rafale battlefield - #1019 by Flame2512
and btw,… WRTI gives EF-2000 for 11220 kg.