Dance of Dragon - Rumor Round-Up & Discussion (Part 3)

Either that or as the first rank 6 naval Sqv

Thanks as always for the communication, I appreciate the response and I look forward to seeing more vessels added, particularly to those tree’s who need them the most.

The J-10 now has a very slow acceleration at supersonic speed, just like a speed brake. Although I don’t know how Gaijin made the drag of a mid-mounted canard + delta wing + wasp waist + high thrust so large, but this is the current experience. High altitude and high speed are not as good as the F16C and its own J8F. Both of them only need 3 minutes and 54 seconds to take off from the ground to 1.9 Mach at 10,000 meters, while the J-10A needs 5 minutes and 22 seconds to accelerate to this level. The acceleration ability is quite poor (both take off with full fuel), and the time required for the J-10A and F16C to accelerate to Mach 1 at low altitude subsonic speed is similar, but after breaking through Mach 1, the drag of the J-10A rises sharply, and the acceleration drops quickly. Even when the engine is in a thrust curve larger than that of the F16C, the acceleration cannot go up, and it is difficult to reach the level before the update.

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I want to report this now, because this value is very likely a bug. But I feel I have no idea where to start.

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So Derfflinger is only rank 5. Does that mean germany will receive another ship?

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Tbh its not as good as a lav weapon wise with only a third of stingers, and not much better protection in that respect. Shouldve been 9.7 imo acting as a better machbet or shilka-M4.

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Based on this, we can more or less deduce that the next update after Dance of Dragons (the October update/fourth major update of the year) will have at least one new Rank VI vessel for Germany, Great Britain, Italy and France, since USA, Japan, and USSR are each getting one in this update.

Italy really only has one option: A member of the Francesco Caracciolo class. It’s the only battleship that wouldn’t be a repeat of the classes already featured in the game, and offers a stepping stone towards the later Littorio class which is a bit too powerful for the current meta.

GB has several options: A tech-tree Queen Elizabeth seems the most likely with the Barham event going on now, but it could also be a Revenge class. Since Renown is already in, Repulse would be reasonable, but I think the UK needs an actual battleship more than another battlecruiser at this moment. Of course, with Amagi creeping the power ceiling higher, the UK could honestly get Nelson/Rodney at this point.

Germany is the odd one out here as it has a good amount of vessels at this BR range already and not a lot of options to choose from. The König class is not in the game yet and could probably fit at the low end of Rank VI, alternatively Gaijin could make Gneisenau a premium because it would sell like crazy.

France has a few options like the Normandie and Lyon classes but honestly everybody wants Dunkerque/Strasbourg and that’s what needs to happen. The other classes won’t really be able to compete with the current meta ships (Scharnhorst, Kronstadt, Mutsu/Amagi, Alaska) the way the Dunkerque/Strasbourg will be able to.

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Well if we count Derfflinger out since its rank V, i think for Germany only the Mackensens with the 14 inch guns or the even bigger Ersatz Yorcks with 15 inch Guns could qualify for rank VI. The Königs or the Seydlitz are not worthy of Rank VI.

Only other Options would be Gneisenau or heck Bismarck lol

Dont count out the first King George V class (1911). I like your Options more but knowing Gaijin these could also end up in Rank VI. Or maybe UK gets nothing since HMS Barham is technically a rank VI (pls no)

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I would play the crap out of Bismarck, but I think it would be a bit too OP for now…

It would basically be an even stronger Scharnhorst

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Eh, I play 9.3 more than 10/.3 these days, so I’d honestly take anything. It’s really depressing to have no missile AA in the fairly consistent 10.3 uptiers. I just want to be able to consonantly down all the rocket/missile flinging cas that exists in that BR range

Gib South Carolina class BB :P

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So do we have an explanation for why Amagi is both coming, and is carrying a floatplane and catapult that did not exist at the same time as the Amagi hull?
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Looks like an E4N, which didn’t make its first flight until 1930 (and also apparently isn’t useable in-game either despite being modeled on Ise). Amagi had been scrapped several years before that. Plus the catapult, I don’t think that one needs to be said.
Then of course, why Amagi and not just Nagato instead? They clearly wanted a ship more powerful than Mutsu… for some reason… and also wanted it to carry floatplanes. Well there’s only one ship in the IJN that fits that criteria and it isn’t Amagi.

In addition, question for @Smin1080p_WT
does this pair of sentences imply that the tech tree is going to be rearranged so that it doesn’t look like it was designed by an AI?
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Currently Mutsu (Battleship, no relation to Kongo) is placed behind Kongo (Battlecruiser, no relation to Mutsu) seemingly just because both ships have 4 turrets and look kinda similar. This is the equivalent of placing the MiG-27 behind the MiG-23, or the F-15 after the F-14, or the T-90 after the T-80.

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Alaskas guns were pretty nuts as well for the time being on par with if not flat out better than older 14 inch guns.

Given that the Russians were wanting a 12 inch gun that fired shells similar in weight to the Alaskas but at a velocity similar to that of the Scharnhorsts 11" guns its not that surprising they ended would have ended up with that kind of performance.

Barrel life is basically non-existent though but thats a tradeoff you make when going with such high velocities.

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Ersatz Yorck or Mackensen would both fit and truly should have been picked as Hood contemporaries rather than the disgustingly OP ship that is Scharnhorst.

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Wish more that germany would get a few planes with torpedos or a Do217 with Hs 293 would probably be good aswell instead of another top rank ship. That’s whats really missing the most

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From the devblog, is this the first mention of a Gen 4.5?

an advanced 4+ generation Chinese jet fighter

That is to say, are we finally on the road to EFT/Rafale/F-2/etc?

I know at least with the F-2 they called it an Gen 4++ but I don’t understand the categorization between the two. Either way, it makes December seem more exciting.

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Just to confirm. For Britain. Is this in addition to the event ship, or is the event ship our new rank VI?

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Basically the same as gen 4.5

Base J-10A is not really gen 4+, but its built around the era of gen 4+s. The J-10C would breach the gen 4++ gates, mainly through new avionics and ERAAM, but this can indeed be said about a few other Chinese designs who were upgraded over time as well, namely J-11BS, J-16D, JF-17 Block 3 etc.

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According to some list both the J-10B/C and the JF-17 are recognized as 4.5th gen fighters, but I don’t think that is saying much. Neither the J-10, nor the JF-17 are groundbreaking.

If anything I’d expect the Hornets, maybe some early F-2 variant and an early Su-30, but knowing Gaijin, no Eurofighter or Rafale

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