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I would like to suggest the Daimler Plattformwagen 28/52 Gepanzert mit 7,7 cm Flak L/27, which was a fully armored turreted AA (and Anti Ground) vehicle produced and tested in 1909-1910 with overall 2 produced.
The armarment is sometimes called up to 3 different designations (57mm, 7,1 cm and 7,7 cm), however, only 7,7 cm existed, the other 2 were publication errors from different older texts, the 7,1 cm caliber never existed, and the 5,7 cm wasnt used for AA purposes, for AA and in such range only existed 7,62 cm, 7,5 cm and 7,7 cm.
And this is one of the multiple different models of 7,7 cm guns.
With the start of the 1900s, the first partly armored cars started to appear from the british (like the Simms War Car), the french (Charron, Girardot & Voigt) around 1902. With the first fully armored cars around 1905, such as the CGV and Austrian Austro Daimler Panzerautomobil. Along these Heinrich Erhardt started development of his own ideas with a usage as AA vehicle in mind. Along others such as Daimler, Krupp and so on.
Which resulted in a series of different Krupp AA guns on different chassis (mostly Daimler Plattformwagen 28/52) in different versions, with armor and without and different armarments.
For complete protection and usage as sort of Infantry fighting vehicle these were also reinforced with armor of 5mm (tho also with angles), in a similar fashion as also Erhardt with his 5 cm BaK L/30 vehicle. Was found that armor of only 5mm was rather insufficient as well as with a weight of 8 ton the cross country performance was rather bad. Overall it was not continued in favour of other simpler vehicles such as the KD-I with simply pintel mount and the same gun as well as L/35 guns.
As such later on the armor was also taken off (also photos of) tho i suggest it with sayed armor.
The gun: Krupp 7,7 cm Flak L/27
-5 to +80° Elevation, 360° Traverse at 25°/sec (Or 14 Seconds for full rotation)
130 rounds ammo in the sides, unknown amout of storage in the turret.
Ammo:(Click to show)
AP:
K.Gr. 15 m.P. m.L. (Aphe) 7 kg 230g Fp.02 465m/s 52mm/10m penetration
K.Gr.16 (Saphe (No Tracer)) 6,25 kg 700g Amatol 480m/s 30+mm/10m(Historical 20mm/600m)
With Lg.K.Z.m.V., also available as pure HE with E.K.Z. 16/23 fuze (see below under HE)
HE:
K.Gr. 15 (He-TF (No Tracer)) 7,1 kg 380g amatol or 270g Pieric acid 465m/s
(TNTa for the Pieric Acid In Game x1,1, IRL x1,2, for the Amatol x1,26)
K.Gr.16 (He-TF (No Tracer)) 6,25 kg 700g Amatol 480m/s
With E.K.Z. 16/23, also available as SAHPE with the Lg.K.Z.m.V. (see above under AP)
L.F.K.Gr. (He-TF (No Tracer)) 7,18 kg 930g amatol (1,172 kg TnTa) 465m/s
(Pieric Acid ig x1,1=770g, IRL x1,2=840g) other fillers are 700g Pieric acid or 820g amatol with 75g Pieric acid.
Utility:
Kt. (Canister Shot (No Tracer)) 6,65 kg Steel/Leadballs 475m/s
F.Schr.96 (umg.) (Shrapnell-TF (No Tracer)) 7 kg 0,1 kg Blackpowder 465m/s
Works like a Crude WW1 AHEAD round, with a timed fuze mid flight ejecting the Steel/Leadballs, against Infantry and planes.
Filling of x300 10g Lead Balls or 220 Steel Balls (with steel balls 6,85 kg)
Some incendary effect by the pitch around the balls.
Br.Schr.Gr. (Incendary Shrapnell-TF (No Tracer)) 6,8 kg 0,167 kg Blackpowder 470m/s
6 Rows of 5 Segments of Incendary Pellets, Made of Bariumnitrate-Magnesium-Resin of 13g each.
Works like a Crude WW1 AHEAD round, with a timed fuze mid flight ejecting the Incendary Pellets onto the Airtarget.
K.Gr.16 (N) (Smoke (No Tracer)) 6,25 kg 0,4 kg Fp.02 and 0,1 kg Smoke mixture 480m/s
The Vehicle:
Daimler Plattformwagen 28/52 Gepanzert
Weight: 8 ton
Engine: 6 Cylinder 52Kw 70 Ps
Crew: 5-6 (3 in the front, 2-3 in the turret)
Armor: 5mm (depending of source up to 10mm)
Produced: 2 (or more without the armor and other armor layout)
Source:
Notes on German Shells 1918
Private Gallery (Ebay)
Krupps BaK/Flak Development
The Commercial Motor (11th January 1912)
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