Added, and then corrected!
One more remark, the Scorpion trialed both the Cockerill Mk.III gun and the Cockerill Mk.III A1 / Cockerill Mk 3 M-A1 gun.
Cockerill Mk. III gun with the typical triple-baffle muzzle brake seen on Cockerill guns, here on the Belgian prototype and the Malaysian Scorpion 90.
Cockerill Mk. III A1 gun with the MECAR single-baffle muzzle brake, here on the last stage of the British prototype and the Venezuelan Scorpion 90.
Evidently it doesn’t change much, as the difference is mostly in the gunbreach and the muzzle break, but it does mean that one can fire APFSDS-T and the other not.
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Lets talk about that missing amor lol.
Considerable amounts of frontal armor and turret armor just doesn’t exist as gaijin didn’t look into the hull enough.
I can tell you that is more than 35mm and it is flush all the way down until the floor after the radius.
CVR(T) family armor protection // Gaijin.net // Issues
More details and a full explanation here.
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The Complete Family of CVRTs:
As always let me know if there’s anything missing, any errors, or missed suggestions. (Or if you know service dates I’m missing!)
Change Log
13/10/24 - v1.2:
- Added in some more dates
- Clarified Scimitar variants (Thanks @da12thmonkey)
- Clarified the Nigerian Scorpion 90, They operated the Belgian upgrade.
12/10/24 - v1.1:
- Moved to correct thread
- Fixed some incorrect parenting
- Fixed incorrect country codes
- Added some Scorpion 90 turreted vehicles (SIMBAS Scorp. 90 + Smiba AC90)
Scimitar should have one more branch for the LEP version with BGTI (normal LEP version and its derivatives had ESPIRE)
As far as I know, the Scimitars sold to Latvia were normal LEPs, not 235s.
There were LEP versions of Striker and Spartan (and the other non-combat versions like Samaritan, Sultan and Samson).
It’s a bit redundant for the Striker as they didn’t have a Plasan armor kit before they were retired and the Combined Sight that added the thermals we have ingame, was done before the LEP (the ingame model doesn’t have the correct sight modelled). But from LEP, there was a 235hp versions of Spartan (and Sultan, Samaritan and Samson), and Scimitar Mk2 is derived from Spartan 235.
The Spartan with the Kongsberg RWS and Javelin is definitely a Spartan LEP but I don’t know if it was a LEP 235 or not. There was also one with an MSI RWS, which looks more like it was a Spartan 235
https://x.com/thinkdefence/status/1749521097538580550
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I have a question, can the 30mm Rarden cannon fire continuously like the 40mm Bofors? Or does it have to use up the 3-round clip before adding the next one, which would mean there would be a delay between each clip.
There are 3 rounds inside the gun, and 3 rounds on the feed tray. Firing cycles the feed system mechanically.
If at any point you have a blank space in the feed (eg. either 4, 5, or all 6 rounds have been fired), the gun needs to be manually cycled using the crank handle at the rear in order to cross the gap in the feed, which can cause a significant delay in fire rate.
In order to avoid this, turret crews will load 3, fire 3, load 3, fire 3, etc, so that the 3 internal rounds are always present.
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My bad, I kinda assumed given the time-frames, Gov press releases[1], and them appearing to be ESPRIE not BGTI models. But to be completely honest I have a bit of love goggles for the Scimmie, it’s may be my favourite tank but I’ve never really cared for the differences, a Scimmie is a Scimmie and they bring me joy.
Latvian Scimitar
Found a walk around too if that helps anyone pick out anything that makes it a LEP or a 235
Ah thank you for the Clarification!
Added it in!
[1] “The highly-mobile UK vehicles have been sold to the Latvian army in a package worth £39.4 million, including their overhaul and refurbishment.” - Latvian army purchases UK armoured combat vehicles - GOV.UK
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Can hold 6 rounds at a time and can be reloaded in clips of three. First three have to be moved along the mechanism by a hand crank, from then on the firing of the gun cycles the mechanism itself.
screenshots from the RARDEN user handbook
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The Scimitar and Striker got their Brake forces reduced and Neutral steer ratios increased
They are now practically fixed
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And people say going on the internet and bitching about stuff doesn’t fix anything!
Incredible, really looking forward to trying out the changes and very happy to see that the neutral steering was also added!
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Here’s the Belgian variant of the FV102 CVR(T) Striker. @l2ulan
I swear this suggestion was pending for quite some time. I almost was a full year after the original post:
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Great work, added to the list. Belgian Striker would be a good candidate for addition to the game as the current British Striker model is very similar.
Correction; top speed is 50 mph (written as 80 km/h in the Belgian manual).
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Thanks, I saw several values so I didn’t know which one to use, I went with one supplied by the Brussels Royal military museum:
If the manual says 50 mph, then I’ll use that one.
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Irish
Timoney ARV Mk.1
Timoney designed, built and tested two prototype of the Mk 1 in Ireland. The vehicle subsequently went into production in Tanzania, under a technology transfer agreement, for their armed forces. During the transfer phase, a number of Tanzanian engineers were brought to Ireland for training.
The Mk 1, as built for Tanzania, was fitted with the two-man turret from the Alvis Scorpion CVR(T), in use by both the Irish and Tanzanian armed forces, and fitted with a 76 mm gun.
Panhard AML with Scimitar turret
Jordanian
SOFEX2016
SOFEX2016
I really don’t remember what was done, but it was shown at exhibition. So that something was upgraded.
Scorpion with 2A72
SOFEX2006
2A72 & Kornet ATGM
SOFEX 2008
2A72 & Kornet ATGM & 3rd Gen Thermal in Panoramic sight
JRESCO (Jordan Russian Electronic System co)
Unmanned turret
2A72 & Kornet ATGM, thermal
South Africa
Denel Scorpion Weapon Carrier
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ooo thanks, I’ll add them in tomorrow after I wake up
That’s would be more evil than the fox lmao, the AML is so quiet
Deffo the 76
Looks to be a Belgian Scimitar turret going by the smokes
Wonder if they added the 20mm
Would be a nice 6.0 spaag with that 82 degrees a second traverse
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How can i distinguish EM235 from LEP??
Is this EM235?
Also Does anyone have EM235 and Scimitar Mk.2 without Plasan and Bar armor?
Because i have only one armor-less Mk.2
Hard to do externally really, without considering the TES fit on them. What makes it a 235 is internal.
If a photo is in Afghanistan after 2009 (IIRC Op. Herrick 10 to Op. Herrick 14 when Mk.2 arrived), it’s definitely a 235. Earlier photos of Scimitars in theatre, you will see the ECM equipment is a bit more ad-hoc, and in general don’t have the two box-shaped emitters on the front. Anywhere else, you wouldn’t know without checking the Reg No. against ones you know to be a 235.
Below is a Scimitar 235 07FD04 without all the ECM kit, photographed on Salisbury Plain in 2011. It retains the holder for the Driver’s Vision Enhancer (thermal imager) that was part of the 235’s TES fit. But otherwise it looks the same as virtually any Scimitar LEP
So the DVE would perhaps be the only external indicator. Ed:- an expanded air box for the Cummins engine intake on the side of the hull also seems to be an indicator for EM235 CVR(t)s, over regular CVR(t) LEPs.
In some cases you might also find when looking at the front of the vehicle, that the headlights are spaced further apart, or the two tool boxes above the tracks are smaller
06FD54
Demobbed hull before it was sold to a collector. Can see the headlamps are positioned almost on top of the towing hooks, rather than fully between them
And in Afghanistan in 2011 (in the background)
That would have been to accommodate the big electronics box in the middle that was part of the ECM fit instead of the usual middle tool box. But on the previous photo of 07FD04 they are back to the normal arrangement.
Near enough in terms of the date of the ECM fit, but 06FD57 is ATDU’s Scimitar and lacks a number of things that were on the fielded 235s. Namely the mine protection plate.
The last photo with 06FD46 in Afghanistan, is a 235
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Thank you.
Also, i think your picture of pre-LEP Scimitar SPIRE/ESPIRE
has an air intake, wich means its could be LEP ESPIRE.
I found a really pre-LEP SPIRE/ESPIRE without air intake
This photo?
Think that’s a roll-mat on the side, rather than the LEP intake.
Also it’s still got the Jaguar hull’s engine deck louvres (like the ones in your photos), so I’m pretty sure it’s not a Cummins engine in there.
The ones in your photo do have the original bolted-on transmission cover though, rather than the later hinged type seen in my pic.
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