Cv9030 fin does not belong at 9.3 here’s why:
In my experience with cv9030fin it felt hard to even trying to survive for a short time due to it’s useless armament against well armored targets, Yeah sure it has apfsds but it’s useless. If you compare it’s armament to similar vehicles at the similar br such as the begleitpanzer and bmd 4 tanks, they use atgm which is better but cv9030fin doesn’t have one. In my opinion it should be 9.0 or 8.7
Even spookston himself calls it bad
Both the Badger and fin should be 8.7 imo badger has the better mobility but slower fure rate, 9030 cant aim over its rear and has worse mobility but the 200rpm. Both vehicles couod be 8.0 and be fine but they would both actually be worse off as they would fight more armored targets.
CV 9030 FIN should be at battle rating 9.0 along side with others Swedish battle rating 9.0 vehicles to make it into a line-up, wait till next battle rating change and push this forward.
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At 9.0 its just 10.0, its why there aren’t that many people playing the T55M anymore or the 103C, the vehicles essentially only play 10.0 and the 103 was already dead at 9.7 uptier so 10.0 is even less useful. The 9.0 lineup just isn’t played because its just more so a lineup where you need specific maps to enjoy the lineup as a whole should be reworked when we get some decompression because an unarmored T55a vs thermal using T72 and T80’s isnt very fun especially with its long reload if you dont die in the hit.
8.7 would be better as the 9030 is a sidegrade to the BMP-2MD which is a weaker BMP-2 at the same BR where if it had the same armor as the BMP-2 then it would be worth being 8.7 unfortunately 8.7 has no good vehicles as the lineup got nuked.
There’s no T-80 or T-72 with thermal imaging devices at battle rating 10.0, if battle rating 9.0 is constantly getting uptier matches, I think the amount absurd of BMP-3s and T-55AMD-1s I see just stuff of my mind. Imaginary enemies of something like that.
There are no autocannons with APDS-FS rounds lower than battle rating 9.0 and it seems to be a rule. Type 87 RCV was lower than that, being added at battle rating 7.7 and therefore increased to battle rating 9.0 due to the mobility and APDS-FS rounds.
The main problem at uptier are the blatant undertiered XM-803 which turns out to be a huge problem despite the low penetration power APDS-FS ammunition which isn’t a problem to perform better than most vehicles with certain ease.
Is the Turms 10.3 now? Thought the turms had thermals, i know the Moderna was 10.3 or is it 10.7 now?
If we are talking about ground realistic battles which most of the time I use as reference; T-72AV (Turms-T) is at battle rating 10.3, T-72M2 is at battle rating 10.7 as well T-80Bs and more other vehicles.
Thats more so because the XM803 are baby Abrooms, they are faster than most light tanks and have the crew all in the turret so most body shots dont kill them. They do have some wonky and incredibly survivability imo and definitely one of the best tanks at 9.x 9.7 US is one of my favorite seal club BR’s with the 9.0 Merkava, the XM803 and the A4E early, such a gross lineup with the Sgt York too.
Ah yeah, then i take back the thermals part my bad, i basically avoid sweden for the most part since 8.7 is basically worthless for me to play well 9.0 now. Strv 103 is still a buggy mess to aim and the CV9030 has no survivability nor mobility to warrant using over the BMP-2MD which is unironically a better IFV even going as far to say the APDS is better. (Check stats if you want idc) the BMP’s imo are the most undertiered IFV’s and i would take a BMP-2 over any 30mm bushmaster any day of the week. Russia doesn’t fight that many targets that are strong against their IFV’s at 9.x whereas if you play the 2MD, a fight against Russia basically means you can only engage them if they are completely 90° to you.
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Agree. But I’d probably still take Falcon and ZA-35 over the Badger, regardless.
Thats just because they are very solid platforms with good guns, the badger is nice but it has its problems. If the BMP-2MD wasn’t basic stuck alone at 8.7 without a viable lineup i might actually play that, same with the 9030 but again i find the ITPSV 90/Leo Marksman is the best IFV on sweden until 10.0
Spaa just happen to be better suited as IFV’s than the actual IFV’s
I really hated t55m for it’s br
Basically a T55a with a better round, honestly it was kinda overated but the T55 is just a solid tank but id never play it at 9.0 lol armor is irrelevant and mobility is trash.
If the Badger had ATGM, especially tandem-head warhead ATGM, I might even put up with the doof doof cannon it gets. Too bad they didn’t give it the faster reloading Desert Warrior cannon.
I support this, but isn’t it kinda crazy to think that the S tank and CV90 could be on the same br. They are vehicles from entierly different eras, early cold war vs end of cold war.
I don’t think that’s a problem for the sake of balance. Using eras and year of production or service isn’t the best option since we have Ikv-103 and SAV 20.12.48 (late 50s) in matchmaking with early 40s and late 30s ground vehicles.
Oh I agree. I just find it amusing is all.