The bmpt gets artillery and crates, this would be the bare minimum for gaijin to do
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The vilkas would be far more potent if the spokes were fixed. It has pretty good hull down capabilities
Mk. IV sure but not the Vilkas
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I mean its not like both CRV and Vilkas cant be overpressured even by NATO 120mm HEAT-FS.
Nonetheless, the way I see it, CRV has some qualities over its competitors (namely Vilkas) - but not all of them might be obvious at the first glance.
First and foremost, its probably the combo of LWS and relatively large smoke count. That alone massively boosts its survivability against threats.
Slightly better pen on sabots as well as access to AHEAD instead of having to rely on plain old HE does also help.
Once the APS gets fixed, that will also massively boost survivability, albeit only against small group of threats.
Now, the one extremely niche advantage I find in CRV over Vilkas is the commanders sight. Its ever so slighlty higher on CRV - something that would usually be seen as disadvantage as it raises its profile - however paired with its Spikes, it means that with help of commander control, it can launch them from relative safety of hulldown position (or at the very least more easily than Vilkas).
Granted its been like two weeks since I last played PUMAs, but I didnt encounter any issues with AHEAD.
Ever so slightly worse but not that much worse that it would warrant different BR. But certainly not a lot.
I hope you realise that the usage of the commanders sight on the CRV Block II is kind of situational; while hull down on a hill, the roof of the turret almost entirely blocks the commanders sight in some instances, it’s not the greatest CITVs out there.
Both can be overpressured on the turret, but you’re ignoring the fact that anything to the turret - even chemical munitions - almost always kills the CRV, or at the very least knocks out its electronic controls. That’s also ignoring the fact that the CRV has a turret basket and other new modules, which the Vilkas entirely lacks, making the Vilkas significantly more survivable.
Only once the issues with the CRV are remedied, and once the Vilkas has finally received its detailed modules, can we properly discuss which one is truly worse or better, because at this current moment, the Vilkas is a far superior vehicle (in the practical sense).
The Vilkas also has better mobility, a key point for wheeled vehicles
oh, absolutely it is situational. Thats why I called it niche advantage.
Still Im looking forward to it, since the CITV on the Vilkas doesnt get much use.
Not ignoring it, but its in the same boat as the APS on CRV - its a thing useful only against specific group of threats. In case of Vilkas unmanned turret, thats kinetic.
HE or even the aforementoned 120mm HEAT-FS to the turret will more likely than not disable both CRV and Vilkas all the same.
Fair enough (funnily enough Boxer MGS is fully modeled).
eeeeeeeeehhh… i would use the word “far” because even currently, these two are much more closer in performance than many other vehicles, to the point the differences do not warrant any sort of BR difference tho.
And its not like both just shouldnt recieve additional Spikes.
Same top speed with CRV having worse HP/T due to added weight.
Acceleration will take a hit but its not like I will be playing CRV differently to Vilkas due to this.
What makes the Vilkas good?
Yes, this vehicle only has the front APS. The APS on both sides of the normal body basically do not work. Sometimes the APS will be hit and overpressure damage will be judged.
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Both are fine at 10.7; I’m not arguing for one to go higher or lower. A post fix CRV would definitely be deserving of 10.7, but at this moment in time, it’s a struggle bus.
Top speed matters less than hp/t, because traction for wheeled vehicles has always been lacking in War Thunder, and hp/t is something that can somewhat remedy this issue if it’s high enough. The Vilkas straight up has better mobility, even if the top speed is exactly the same.
A perfect world is if all Spike carriers were to receive ammo-crates, with the exception of the Freccia (both variants, Freccia already has a lot). I’d also love for them to fix the trajectory of Spike missiles, they attack too shallow at the moment.
In my honest and brutal opinion, the Vilkas and the CRV would be fairly equal peers once the Vilkas gets its detailed modules and the CRV gets its APS fixed. At the moment, however, I’d still pick the Vilkas over the CRV any day of the week - the only reason I grinded the CRV was for my Britain lineup.
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Were it not for terminators, im sure it would be fine, even with moddeling issues. It would be played exactly the same as Vilkas.
Are you sure thats what you wanted to write? because im trying to make head or tails out of this - if you say that top speed matters less than HP/T, and both CRV and Vilkas have the same top speed, how can Vilkas have better mobility?
you and me both.
Sure, but thats more matter of personal preference, no?
Id pick CRV for my german 10.7 lineup if i could solely because i find the LWS and more smokes outweight the drawbacks.
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Yeah, I said this in my original post as well and still stand by that point, if it wasn’t for the BMPT, 10.7 would be better for all vehicles, and especially including the CRV.
Better mobility for me is having acceleration that outmatches another vehicle, top speed does matter but when it goes past 60 km/h, it matters significantly less - for wheeled vehicles that threshold would be around 80 km/h.
Germany will likely get the CRV in the future and probably the unmanned variant, the CRV we’ve got in-game isn’t a Block II, but a technology demonstrator, as mentioned in this bug report.
Nonetheless, I still will play the CRV regardless - it looks beautiful in my opinion
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Maybe someday.
I get the point, but playing both Vilkas and Boxer MGS one after another on open maps, I hardly noticed the difference, and Im positive that the same will apply to CRV.
nice to have but ultimately not something thats desperately needed.
indeed. Vilkas is probably THE most favorite IFV of mine (not like there arent some strong contenders tho) so being able to field vehicle similiar to it in different nation was must have for me. Now I just need to contemplate whenever I want the aussie camo.
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Been trying to find the photo of Vilkas interier, which I was unable to find. However piecing together the layout of it turret - Samson Mk II RCT on different platforms, mostly slapped onto the BMP-2M offered by czech excalibur army
as well as Šakal
(and effectively czech Pandur II as the Samson Mk II RCT is just further evolution of earlier Samson RCWS-30)
There should be no turret basket.
So only things that should be missing from Vilkas model should be the:
- power pack, as seen both on Boxer MGS and CRV,
- remodeling the current elevation and horizontal drives as FCS,
- as well as driver controls
Safe to say, not much will change due to where these modules are situated.
The Vilkas would be missing the drivers controls, fire control system, power system, enlarged horizontal drive (which should include the bottom section of the turret, similar to how the floor of the turret basket is included in the horizontal drive), and electronic equipment where necessary.
Also have heard that the Vilkas is missing a laser warning receiver, not sure if this is true however, needs to be confirmed
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I almost got a nuke somehow with the CRV 2387sp…
But Russia was on our side.
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If the bmpt can get an ammo crate, it’s only logical and fair for all vehicles like the crv to be reclassified and given ammo crates too.
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But keep the scout and drone
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I dont think the Boxer CRV is a bad tank, I think its a victim of circumstance if the BMPT wasn’t added it would have been a solid tank but with the BMPT at the exact same BR and the fact the UK will fight russia 99 out 100 times, its stuck fighting a tank that is still almost an entire BR lower then it should be with a broken ammo rack mechanic.
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It currently does not have one but in 2023 the Lithuanians said they would get upgraded with Drone jammers and other e war equip.
Cant find sources saying they have that now tho