Crusader Mk. II turret front is incomplete and has incorrect armor thickness

The Crusader Mk.II has a few inconsistencies in it’s model, for some reason the gun mantlet is thinner than the actual turret front.

Now in-game, the mantlet is only 30mm thick, while the turret front is 31.75mm + 19.05mm behind it, for a total of 50.8mm of armor

Now what doesn’t connect is, why would the mantlet have so little armor when the turret front is almost double the thickness? Real photos of crusader tanks shows that the turret mantlet is actually quite thick.

Acording to:

  • Crusader-Cruiser Mark IV - By Major james Bingham - Page 8

The Crusader II was a improvement over the A15 Crusader I, and had a increase for the armor protection for the front from 40mm to 50mm, so the mantlet only having 30mm just doesn’t make sense.

This information is also mentioned in another source:

  • Crusader Cruiser tank 1939-1945 - by Devid Fletcher

In the book, page 7 mentions that the A15 (Crusader I) had a standard 40mm of armor at the front.

And Page 13 of the same book mentions that the Crusader II was introduced as an up-armoured version of the original model, the same page also mentions that the turret front armor thickness was increased by 10mm (40 + 10 = 50mm)

None of these, and many other sources, mentions the turret frontal protection being anything less than 45mm, so the mantlet only having 30mm of armor simply doesn’t fit.

Another source is:

  • Crusader vs M13/40 North Africa 1941-42 - by David Greentree

Page 34 says that the Crusader II had 49mm of armor on the frontal glacis and mantlet

So the 30mm of armor that the mantlet has in-game is very much insufficient.

The requied fixes is to increase the mantlet thickness from 30mm to 50 or 49mm, so it has around the same armor thickness as the rest of the turret front.

The internal mantlet of the tank is also completely wrong, right now it wouldn’t even exist, because it’s just 2 floating pieces of armor inside the turret, the mantlet should be completely enclosed in the turret, and cover the entire space behind the external mantlet:


Right now the tank just feels incomplete, it feels like a dev server vehicle, and needs to be fixed.

The first image is the real internal mantlet of the crusader II, as you can see, there are no gaps, there’s no holes, and there’s no gaping cavity that leads directly to the external mantlet, the Crusader Mk. II in game is very much incomplete. and this is impacting the vehicle in extreme negative ways.

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Legit, this is not even funny, if it was a leopard 2A7 this would’ve been fixed in less than a week.

Its cute you think the 2A7 has a priority on bug fixes we got a broken tank and its still broken, we’re still sitting with less armor than the Sweden Leopards despite the tank being devloped after that trial and being equivalent to the Swedish tanks if not outright better…

heck the AI algorithm google search employs can tell you its far from what it should be…

I did a bug report on the mantlets.

The situation is the massive front section you see is actually an external mantlet/gun shield/rotor shield and the original mantlet is behind it.

The external mantlet is 3 inches around the 2-Pdr aperture, and 2.5 inches around the outer apertures. The original mantlet thickness is unknown, but could very likely be 30mm as it’s shared by the A13 Mk IIA (later model, not in-game).

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Bruh what? They had the audacity to add another premium tank based on the crusader? without fixing anything that’s wrong with it?? the weirdst part is that i remanber that the drivers cabin of the crusader tanks actually had the correct armor at some point…

it was 22mm with 18mm on top, and the pistol port and vision port were 50mm thick, i don’t understand why they change the vehicle to be even more wrong than it was.

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