Crew Skills Need to Be Removed

Where? Who? Anyone saying “sniping is a disparity” is a moron and I don’t believe that actually even happened. What does that even mean? Both sides can obviously snipe, so what are you talking about?

Nothing is equal in this game by its very design. You want equal play tank pong on the Arari 2600

Disparities always make a game less fun. I asked you this in another thread, and you refused to answer it, but let’s try again:

If disparities are awesome, especially ones you can pay to get, and make games way better, then Why do zero professional sports leagues allow players to pay for things like extra penalty kicks in soccer, more serves than the other person gets in tennis, fewer yards to run for a touchdown in American football, a head start in the 100m dash (or 80m dash for the person who paid money), etc.?

We’ve been playing these and valuing them as a society for decades/centuries, why did nobody except you figure out that they’d be SO much more fun if they were full of disparities?

Except you are completely incorrect. I am willing to accept plenty of in-game disparity. For example, I would accept:

F2P vs premium player vehicle access

CAS superiority over most ground vehicles

Better vehicles vs worse vehicles (within acceptable tolerances, as the alternative would be just to remove BRs entirely)

Positional disparities

Skill-based disparities (including no skill based matchmaking, but not the artificial crew skills), etc.

Just because people are upset with one disparity doesnt make them “Karens”

Tell it to the forum not me. I don’t demand constant map alterations or BR shifts. I learned to live with CAS and everything “P2W”. I only hate bizarre era mismatches other than that I can take it all.

I do have a preferred area of the game but that is taste.
My crew skills are a mix of paid in some nations and earned in others. If you want them gone then all vehicles will still have differing stats unless your next demand is that we all use the T34 1940 only.

Where? Who? Like I said, I don’t believe this ever actually happened and that anyone said that “sniping is a disparity between players/teams”

I can’t reply to people on a forum who never existed.

Im not regarding the game overall. People who cant accept disparity make up the bulk of posts on here.

Good for you ,so am I. Shame others can’t.

Try taking your idea that Gaijin shouldn’t charge for anything to Gaijin. They can refund the millions they earned and all will be well.

If it wasn’t for paying players being sold trinkets, then everyone would have to pay unless you know different.

I never said Gaijin couldnt charge for anything. I made a pretty extensive list of all the things that Gaijin sells that are great and that I think they should sell more of. Most players arent as entitled as you think they are when it comes to selling things- there are very few I have ever read in the forums advocating for that kind of change.

Somebody will take offence at everything Gaijin charge for especially if they can’t afford it. This isn’t about you it is about attitudes across the board.

The Turms 3 is in the barrel currently, everybody who can’t get it want is nerfed to death and those who have it defend it saying its a glass canon. I don’t even play 8.0 BR but I am aware of the argument.

Those who have and those who have not. I’m not gloating about having money to spend. WT is a cheap night in overall.

I have some paid crew skills and have good games and atrocious games in equal measure. Having paid I cant tell what is causing the good games or the bad so how can you? If you are a top player who never paid a dime, then what? So much for your argument. Same with bushes. So many game winners don’t have them.

By top tier you should have relevant crew skills except for Israel. G force for Flying was the first thing I discovered at 1BR in Arcade.

If you don’t pay then you will have less crew slots to worry about.

Then why were all the sniping spots removed at player base request then genius? All the maps ruined famously.

I never see people complain about that.

Those are people complaining about Gaijin’s map changes, not asking for the changes?

Same thing. Plenty of people on there stating how the sniping spots and cover is gone. Normandy is quoted. The famous hedgerows of Normandy now without the hedgerows.

Then why were all the sniping spots removed at player base request then genius? All the maps ruined famously.

Disparities are not fun and should be removed, but not all things removed from games are disparities.

All elephants are gray, but not all gray things are elephants.


For example, if the game had a literal coin flip in it every 2 minutes that killed you if it landed on tails, that would not be a disparity since it affects everyone, but it would be un-fun and would probably get removed. Or “half your match being bot tanks” was actually in the game once, and it was not a disparity since both teams had them, but they weren’t very fun and were removed.

Edit, I made a pretty picture for you

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I don’t quite get how complaining about sniping spots being removed is the same thing as sniping spots being removed at player request, quite the opposite.

Ready to answer this now, or still too chicken?

I bought the RU 251 back when it was 6.7. Changes to how you got accustomed to winning suck, but there is no doubt in my mind that moving the RU 251 up was the right call. I can’t speak to the Turm III other than what I’ve played in test drive, but it did surprise me how good it was at its BR. Not sure it derserved to go up, but I understand why they could think it needed to. (As a side note: that’s not even strictly a paid player versus free player controversey; the Turms III being too low can affect how other paid players enjoy their own premiums, so I don’t see what the argument is)

I don’t see how the map sniping spots are relevant as both paid players and free players complain about crap like that.

But here’s the problem with your outlook: if your only support for not equalizing disparities is that those disparities are part of the game, then if Gaijin decides it is more profitable or fair to change something you will have no further standing to complain. Keeping the status quo because it’s the status quo is not an argument. Crew skills are not automatically a good mechanic simply because Gaijin has implemented them- and neither is the removal of sniping spots a good change simply because Gaijin removed them. Nearly everything else you have said in this thread has been just simple name-calling.

Obviously some disparity is part of the game and a good thing, but it is also obvious that the disparities need to be balanced (i.e. you can’t have maps where one side can never win). The objective is to achieve a balance.

Some of us do break off to sleep and actually play the game.

So another unrelated football analogy, I don’t know about American football but I know in British football there is no equality despite the Football Association trying to ease it all. One team may be owned by a Saudi Arabian Sultan and another by a consortium of local businessmen. One will have an unlimited supply of cash and other will not, one will play from a seventy-thousand-seater stadium and other from an old shed.

I have been alive long enough to fully understand inequality in all walks of life so thanks for bringing to light the disparity in sport.

Incidentally one of the best examples is motor racing where all the teams were limited to one size of fuel tank years ago to bring equality to racing so teams simply made the fuel line ten times longer to hold more fuel. Point being if Gaijin did decide to lose money on crew skills, they would only hammer us all elsewhere.

Incidentally as well ,Motor racing was never more fun than in the days when you were free to a degree to run what you brought, unforming it all and making each car identical killed it. Same as Warthunder.

The fact is the OP is top tier and has no crew skills quite a feat in itself. Even without paying I can fly a plane without the pilot passing out. Top tier is another 6 BR above mine. Rushing straight to top tier is more likely the issue here or purchasing top tier premiums without bothering to develop the necessary crew skills, not paying occasionally to give a tiny boost to something that is hardly noticeable to the player who bought it and undetectable to his enemies.

Over to you for your obligatory argument.

Funny that I asked a player if he was ready to give up the crew skills, he had acquired over years of free playing and there was no answer.

You want Gaijin to reevaluate the game because you somehow managed to get a top tier plane and zero crew skills. So you bought a pack at top tier and you don’t have the crew skills now? You can’t spend a little to get the G force line up ? So you want it all gone?

I would say the fact that Gaijins planes turn at 14G or whatever when most humans black out at half that is the issue here, maybe that should be overhauled not every player losing a small privilege they paid for or took years to earn for free.
It seems everyone else can make an investment and you can’t but instead of accepting a free game you want to moan about it and stop others from having fun.

What stops you from leaving this pay to win nightmare?

Crew skills affect all areas of the game. A tank with a maxed out crew at Rank 1 is going to do a lot better than a tank with a stock crew at rank 1. So yes- they should re-evaluate the system as that disparity has nothing to do with learning the maps or the vehicles.

It seems there is is a lot of support for my suggestion to change the current system. I’d happily put it to a poll.